No, my criteria is sound. An occasional mutation is no reason for societal upheaval.
Transgender runner blows out competition, sets season records in girls' races at Oregon high
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By that logic, if the number of serial killers is extremely insignificant, should we just let them do their thing? If only an insignificant number of doctors is under-qualified to do their job properly, should society be okay with that? Only a small percentage of clergy are pedophiles; even fewer randomly attack strangers on the TTC. Some medications help a great number of people, and only cause the death of a few. Some new synthetic cooking fat caused only a tiny amount of anal leakage in the majority of a test group, and none in some. Only an insignificant number of people in prison were wrongfully convicted through perjurous testimony. Is that all good?
One is too many, when the biological sex at birth was not in doubt anatomically, and that determination is consistent with chromosomal analysis.
To lump intersex individuals together with those who determine their biological sex by their emotional state in one homogeneous group is naive, at best. It's difficult to take whatever else you say seriously if you sincerely believe something like that.
Maybe she is. She never claimed to be trans, which is the point. These are two distinct types of people we're talking about.
An intersex individual isn't trans. Trans is someone who is either male or female, but wants to be the opposite sex.
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It's a poll that confirms what I've told you already... most people (the educated westerners that you referred to) do NOT agree with you that trans women (i.e. men) should be in women's sports.
A man cannot become a women via identifying as such nor by mutilating his body to look like a woman's.
Dumb ideas sometimes take root, for political reasons or other reasons, even in modern society.
Trans women [men] in women's sports is one of those dumb ideas.
Do you get it yet?
Interesting. Your definition of man and woman is inconsistent and you go to a moral panic strawman about societal upheaval, even though even in the NCAA trans athletes make up less than 0.02% of athletes. Seems you guys are creating an upheaval about an extremely rare occurrence.
Yep, as usual, someone talks shit based on some random tweet and has no interest in actually finding out what they are talking about.
Sure, if trans athletes are killing someone. In reality, they are just athletes competing against others.
And as science says, both the cases I mentioned are people where there was no doubt about their anatomical features being female despite being XY.
The fact is that sexual characteristics have to do with more than one gene as well as epigenetic changes to how those genes express themselves.
To be correct, it is when their identity conflicts with their sexual characteristics.
As I mentioned before, there is significant evidence that there are different ranges of physiological features in brains of men and women and in trans people, many have brains that more closely correspond to their identified gender and brain physiological changes do happen because of genes and their expressions. I am sure that there some cases of trans people where this is not the case and I'm sure there will be some pathologically driven athletes who will live as a different gender just to win but there is experimentally a biological and genetic basis for gender.
But given a choice between demanding expensive tests for women who look too manly and allowing an extremely small number of people to compete in the category of their lived identity, it seems much more efficient and reasonable to take them at their word. I could see examining it further if there were suddenly masses of trans athletes dominating women's sports but that's not the case and instead people are freaking out because some kid won a very low level track competition.
Dem lawmaker suggests females athletically equal to males while voting to keep trans athletes in girls sports
'Female bodies are just as strong and fast and capable as male bodies,' said Pennsylvania state senator Lindsey Williams
Dem lawmaker suggests females athletically equal to males while voting to keep trans athletes in girls sports
Pennsylvania Democrat state senator Lindsey Williams suggested that female athletes are physically comparable to male athletes and don't face disadvantages.
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From Vinson's link in post #202:
The United Nations released study findings saying that nearly 900 biological females have fallen short of victories because they have been defeated by transgender athletes. The study, "Violence against women and girls in sports," said more than 600 athletes did not medal in more than 400 competitions in 29 different sports, totaling over 890 medals.
A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don't think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women's sports. Of the 2,128 people polled, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.
Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.
The United nations released a "report of the Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls"
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That included the phrase:
The replacement of the female sports category with a mixed-sex category has resulted in an increasing number of female athletes losing opportunities, including medals, when competing against males. According to information received, by 30 March 2024, over 600 female athletes in more than 400 competitions have lost more than 890 medals in 29 different sports.29
reference 29 states:
29 Submission from Women’s Liberation Front, International Consortium on Female Sport and Dianne Post on behalf of Lavender Patch
So, not a study, and not findings. Someone said it happened and offered no evidence.
Yep, as I said, an insignificant number. I'm sure that readers are encouraged to think that 890 medals is a big number but these are not Olympic medals. In fact it is not a conclusion by the UN but rather a submission from an outside group that didn't specify where they got this number from. Unlike you guys, I actually take the time to read the source data instead of relying on some tweet or blog.
The UN paper is here.
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The source the claim came from is here though they make claims without any details that can be used to verify whether the medal winner was actually trans, especially problematic as they allows users to add claims.
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The fact is that looking through the competitions they list, it includes every level of competition from children's recreational to professional sports which means the 890 over 6 years is compared to tens if not hundreds of thousands of competitions a year. They also pad the data by listing multiple girls/women for many events.
The trans athletes uproar is just simply a moral panic used to distract people from actual issues and cases that make up an insignificant percentage of athletes.
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Somewhat related to this topic:
US laws pertaining to conscription for military service have been changed so that women are eligible to be drafted. It's unlikely that many or even any women would be drafted for combat duty, (but some might enlist). They may, however, be inducted to fill specific military needs, such as in medicine, or making sandwiches and bringing beers to off duty fighting men
This change also prevents an otherwise able-bodied male from avoiding military service by declaring that he's no longer a man. Such an individual would need to flee to Canada, like before, where no doubt he/ she/ zeit/ etc would be given refugee status
US laws pertaining to conscription for military service have been changed so that women are eligible to be drafted. It's unlikely that many or even any women would be drafted for combat duty, (but some might enlist). They may, however, be inducted to fill specific military needs, such as in medicine, or making sandwiches and bringing beers to off duty fighting men
This change also prevents an otherwise able-bodied male from avoiding military service by declaring that he's no longer a man. Such an individual would need to flee to Canada, like before, where no doubt he/ she/ zeit/ etc would be given refugee status
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It's unfortunate that there is an incongruence between their brain structure and the rest of their physiology. But that's no reason to allow those individuals to compete in sports against individuals whose brains and bodies align.
Regardless of the differences in their brains, they have all the physical advantages of a man.
Look, I'm very supportive of people living their best lives whether they be straight, gay, trans, green or dwarfs.... But competing in sports is bit of an exception, or it needs to be. If a male transitions, she may well have the appropriate hormones for her self, but she's got the muscle mass, probably height/size of her former self. Yes, I appreciate that muscle mass is likely reduced, but it's probably still a lot larger than a a young woman who was born that way.
Even looking at the video of the race, well, you know the expression, "He runs like a girl!" says it all. The girls are all running like, well, girls. The subject of this news item most definitely doesn't "run like a girl"... she runs like a dude with long hair and a skirt. Her stride is different, her arms swing differently.
And to address your sarcastic comment about the world.. Well, a trans athlete WON'T change much in the world, but to the young lady who comes in second to this trans athlete it means lost scholarships, a shot at the pros and more. Second means nothing in sports.
I appreciate your comments. I agree that there needs to be some real investigation into what is best instead of just knee jerk bans. An athlete who changes their lived identity and immediately starts competing as a woman is different than a trans person who has been on hormone therapy for years which is different from an athlete who delayed male puberty then used hormones to go through puberty as a woman. Even more idiotic is the demands to implement bans on pre-pubescents where it is scientifically clear that there is no sex benefit.
I'm not against regulations on where, when, and how it is appropriate for tarns women to compete but I just want those regulations based on science and not simply an invented moral panic. And it wasn't sarcastic, it's a fact that trans athletes make up such an insignificant number of people that it has no impact on society other than using at as a political wedge issue.
p.s. As an athlete who played numerous contact sports, I've played against plenty of people where I was on the losing side of height and muscle mass and in many cases outperformed them. That excuse doesn't hold as much weight with me and suspect many of the guys complaining about it are either just freaked out by trans (or gay) people or view women as delicate flowers we need to protect from the world.
Women on average might lag behind in terms of weight they can carry and ability in hand to hand combat against larger opponents but I'm not aware on a lack of endurance, decision making, or the ability to pull a trigger.
I haven't seen anyone arguing for such a ban. Co-ed competition has always been a thing, however there should definitely be boys-only and girls-only competitions.
Boys and girls are fundamentally different mentally & physically, and the culture created in boys-only competition reflects that.
