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richaceg

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I wonder if anyone else has noticed that the Shaquille Oatmeal handle had no posts on this board prior to Crimson Mire's last post.
Women refuse to speak out about trans for fear of backlash from the LGBTQ community and labeled "transphobe"... Heck GAvin Newsom is getting heat for saying there's unfairness for a biological male trans competing on woemn's sports...
 

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Who is Crimson Mire?
What is with all these trolling accusations of being someone else?
I have only had one handle on this site and it is this.
Crimson Mire was a troll on multiple boards who claimed to be Trans, which might or might not have been true.

I made no accusation. The date of Crimson Mire's last post on this board precedes your first. That is a fact, easily verifiable by anyone who has Crimson Mire on their Ignore list.

I'll take your word for that.
 

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Women refuse to speak out about trans for fear of backlash from the LGBTQ community and labeled "transphobe"...
The root word for phobia is the Greek phobos, meaning 'fear'.

There is a certain irony to the fact that many people are afraid to say anything negative about the 'Alphabet community', and those who are not afraid of them are labelled with any of a number of words ending with 'phobic'.

I'm not trying to get anyone's vote, I'm not trying to sell a good or service, I don't a have a supervisor, and I don't want to have sex with any of them, so the LGBTQ Community has no leverage over me. I don't hate or fear any of them, but I also don't take a lot of them seriously.
 

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Not asking if they self-identify as trans. Asking if they fall outside of the regular XX/XY binary.
Hard to tell since many people who are genetically intersex don't get tested unless they have medical issues (or in Caster Semenya's case, because she was winning).

But as I said, the numbers of both trans and intersex athletes are extremely insignificant but that doesn't stop the moral panic types trying to use it to push their agendas.
 

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Deflection

On this you are just wrong.
Exactly what you are doing.

I asked what criteria people use to define woman and man. You gave your criteria. I exposed why your definition isn't scenically accurate and your response was to strawman about removing sports categories. Sounds like cope to me.
 

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From the link that you posted:

Sex refers to a set of biological attributes in humans and animals. It is primarily associated with physical and physiological features including chromosomes, gene expression, hormone levels and function, and reproductive/sexual anatomy

So then sex is an immutable trait. It is not "assigned" by anyone. It is identified at birth. There is no ambiguity.

Athletic competition is restricted to members of the same sex. Regardless of what your self-described gender is.
Sex is a biological factor based on genes and gene expression and it is not a binary. There are numerous genes that create primary and secondary sexual characteristics and numerous epigenetic factors that can affect the expression of those genes.

Gender is (seems?) biologically a result of brain physiology and does not necessarily match the biological sex. There is also potentially a factor based on society created definitions.

Athletics categories are explicitly decided on by people to fit their view of entertainment, profitability, and fairness. As of right now, the actual scientific data about advantages trans women has over cis women is ambiguous when the trans women have undergone hormone therapy and shows no advantages when the trans woman never went through male puberty.
 
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Intersex people are both male and female as the word "intersex" indicates. They're not a third gender or sex. Remember, there are only two sexes/genders.
To be precise, they display a mixture of male and female sexual characteristics. They are usually identified at birth by the doctor taking a quick look at the undercarriage which may not correspond to the dominant physiology of the person.
 
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Either your posting in a topic you are ignorant about or you're just playing dumb. Either way...
No, I'm not playing dumb. I don't spend too much time looking up transgender issues.

If I come across it, I might have something to say, but in most cases, I don't care.
 

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One sex has a penis, the other has a vagina & tits.

The intersex person has a combination of the above.

The people claiming to be trans have a dick and want to compete against the people that have a vagina. Get it?
Caster Semenya is intersex. She doesn't have a dick. Imane Khelif is likely intersex. She doesn't have a dick.
 

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Exactly what you are doing.

I asked what criteria people use to define woman and man. You gave your criteria. I exposed why your definition isn't scenically accurate and your response was to strawman about removing sports categories. Sounds like cope to me.
No, my criteria is sound. An occasional mutation is no reason for societal upheaval.
 
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Hard to tell since many people who are genetically intersex don't get tested unless they have medical issues (or in Caster Semenya's case, because she was winning).

But as I said, the numbers of both trans and intersex athletes are extremely insignificant but that doesn't stop the moral panic types trying to use it to push their agendas.
By that logic, if the number of serial killers is extremely insignificant, should we just let them do their thing? If only an insignificant number of doctors is under-qualified to do their job properly, should society be okay with that? Only a small percentage of clergy are pedophiles; even fewer randomly attack strangers on the TTC. Some medications help a great number of people, and only cause the death of a few. Some new synthetic cooking fat caused only a tiny amount of anal leakage in the majority of a test group, and none in some. Only an insignificant number of people in prison were wrongfully convicted through perjurous testimony. Is that all good?

One is too many, when the biological sex at birth was not in doubt anatomically, and that determination is consistent with chromosomal analysis.

To lump intersex individuals together with those who determine their biological sex by their emotional state in one homogeneous group is naive, at best. It's difficult to take whatever else you say seriously if you sincerely believe something like that.
 

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Caster Semenya is intersex. She doesn't have a dick. Imane Khelif is likely intersex. She doesn't have a dick.
Maybe she is. She never claimed to be trans, which is the point. These are two distinct types of people we're talking about.

An intersex individual isn't trans. Trans is someone who is either male or female, but wants to be the opposite sex.
 
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Is that a poll of female athletes?
It's a poll that confirms what I've told you already... most people (the educated westerners that you referred to) do NOT agree with you that trans women (i.e. men) should be in women's sports.

A man cannot become a women via identifying as such nor by mutilating his body to look like a woman's.

Dumb ideas sometimes take root, for political reasons or other reasons, even in modern society.

Trans women [men] in women's sports is one of those dumb ideas.

Do you get it yet?
 

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No, my criteria is sound. An occasional mutation is no reason for societal upheaval.
Interesting. Your definition of man and woman is inconsistent and you go to a moral panic strawman about societal upheaval, even though even in the NCAA trans athletes make up less than 0.02% of athletes. Seems you guys are creating an upheaval about an extremely rare occurrence.
 

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No, I'm not playing dumb. I don't spend too much time looking up transgender issues.

If I come across it, I might have something to say, but in most cases, I don't care.
Yep, as usual, someone talks shit based on some random tweet and has no interest in actually finding out what they are talking about.
 

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By that logic, if the number of serial killers is extremely insignificant, should we just let them do their thing?...
Sure, if trans athletes are killing someone. In reality, they are just athletes competing against others.

And as science says, both the cases I mentioned are people where there was no doubt about their anatomical features being female despite being XY.

The fact is that sexual characteristics have to do with more than one gene as well as epigenetic changes to how those genes express themselves.
 
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