Transgender runner blows out competition, sets season records in girls' races at Oregon high

[basketcase]

Maybe she is. She never claimed to be trans, which is the point. These are two distinct types of people we're talking about.

An intersex individual isn't trans. Trans is someone who is either male or female, but wants to be the opposite sex.

To be correct, it is when their identity conflicts with their sexual characteristics.

As I mentioned before, there is significant evidence that there are different ranges of physiological features in brains of men and women and in trans people, many have brains that more closely correspond to their identified gender and brain physiological changes do happen because of genes and their expressions. I am sure that there some cases of trans people where this is not the case and I'm sure there will be some pathologically driven athletes who will live as a different gender just to win but there is experimentally a biological and genetic basis for gender.

But given a choice between demanding expensive tests for women who look too manly and allowing an extremely small number of people to compete in the category of their lived identity, it seems much more efficient and reasonable to take them at their word. I could see examining it further if there were suddenly masses of trans athletes dominating women's sports but that's not the case and instead people are freaking out because some kid won a very low level track competition.

 

[Vinson]

Dem lawmaker suggests females athletically equal to males while voting to keep trans athletes in girls sports
'Female bodies are just as strong and fast and capable as male bodies,' said Pennsylvania state senator Lindsey Williams

Dem lawmaker suggests females athletically equal to males while voting to keep trans athletes in girls sports

Pennsylvania Democrat state senator Lindsey Williams suggested that female athletes are physically comparable to male athletes and don't face disadvantages.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Top_Goy1]

Dem lawmaker suggests females athletically equal to males while voting to keep trans athletes in girls sports
'Female bodies are just as strong and fast and capable as male bodies,' said Pennsylvania state senator Lindsey Williams

Dem lawmaker suggests females athletically equal to males while voting to keep trans athletes in girls sports

Pennsylvania Democrat state senator Lindsey Williams suggested that female athletes are physically comparable to male athletes and don't face disadvantages.

www.foxnews.com

Maybe they were right about some other things too

The Forgotten History of the World's First Trans Clinic

The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin would be a century old if it hadn’t fallen victim to Nazi ideology

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[onomatopoeia]

To be correct, it is when their identity conflicts with their sexual characteristics.

As I mentioned before, there is significant evidence that there are different ranges of physiological features in brains of men and women and in trans people, many have brains that more closely correspond to their identified gender and brain physiological changes do happen because of genes and their expressions. I am sure that there some cases of trans people where this is not the case and I'm sure there will be some pathologically driven athletes who will live as a different gender just to win but there is experimentally a biological and genetic basis for gender.

But given a choice between demanding expensive tests for women who look too manly and allowing an extremely small number of people to compete in the category of their lived identity, it seems much more efficient and reasonable to take them at their word. I could see examining it further if there were suddenly masses of trans athletes dominating women's sports but that's not the case and instead people are freaking out because some kid won a very low level track competition.

From Vinson's link in post #202:


The United Nations released study findings saying that nearly 900 biological females have fallen short of victories because they have been defeated by transgender athletes. The study, "Violence against women and girls in sports," said more than 600 athletes did not medal in more than 400 competitions in 29 different sports, totaling over 890 medals.

A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don't think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women's sports. Of the 2,128 people polled, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.

 

[Top_Goy1]

From Vinson's link in post #202:


The United Nations released study findings saying that nearly 900 biological females have fallen short of victories because they have been defeated by transgender athletes. The study, "Violence against women and girls in sports," said more than 600 athletes did not medal in more than 400 competitions in 29 different sports, totaling over 890 medals.

A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don't think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women's sports. Of the 2,128 people polled, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.

They should be permitted to compete against that 33 percent of democrats.

 

[boobtoucher]

From Vinson's link in post #202:


The United Nations released study findings saying that nearly 900 biological females have fallen short of victories because they have been defeated by transgender athletes. The study, "Violence against women and girls in sports," said more than 600 athletes did not medal in more than 400 competitions in 29 different sports, totaling over 890 medals.

A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don't think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women's sports. Of the 2,128 people polled, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.

The United nations released a "report of the Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls"

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docs.un.org

That included the phrase:

The replacement of the female sports category with a mixed-sex category has resulted in an increasing number of female athletes losing opportunities, including medals, when competing against males. According to information received, by 30 March 2024, over 600 female athletes in more than 400 competitions have lost more than 890 medals in 29 different sports.29

reference 29 states:

29 Submission from Women’s Liberation Front, International Consortium on Female Sport and Dianne Post on behalf of Lavender Patch

So, not a study, and not findings. Someone said it happened and offered no evidence.

 

[basketcase]

From Vinson's link in post #202:


The United Nations released study findings saying that nearly 900 biological females have fallen short of victories because they have been defeated by transgender athletes. The study, "Violence against women and girls in sports," said more than 600 athletes did not medal in more than 400 competitions in 29 different sports, totaling over 890 medals.

A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don't think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women's sports. Of the 2,128 people polled, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.

Yep, as I said, an insignificant number. I'm sure that readers are encouraged to think that 890 medals is a big number but these are not Olympic medals. In fact it is not a conclusion by the UN but rather a submission from an outside group that didn't specify where they got this number from. Unlike you guys, I actually take the time to read the source data instead of relying on some tweet or blog.

The UN paper is here.

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docs.un.org

The source the claim came from is here though they make claims without any details that can be used to verify whether the medal winner was actually trans, especially problematic as they allows users to add claims.

https://www.shewon.org

The fact is that looking through the competitions they list, it includes every level of competition from children's recreational to professional sports which means the 890 over 6 years is compared to tens if not hundreds of thousands of competitions a year. They also pad the data by listing multiple girls/women for many events.

The trans athletes uproar is just simply a moral panic used to distract people from actual issues and cases that make up an insignificant percentage of athletes.

 

[Mrboobs]

Yep, as usual, someone talks shit based on some random tweet and has no interest in actually finding out what they are talking about.

Ok

 

[onomatopoeia]

Somewhat related to this topic:

US laws pertaining to conscription for military service have been changed so that women are eligible to be drafted. It's unlikely that many or even any women would be drafted for combat duty, (but some might enlist). They may, however, be inducted to fill specific military needs, such as in medicine, or making sandwiches and bringing beers to off duty fighting men

This change also prevents an otherwise able-bodied male from avoiding military service by declaring that he's no longer a man. Such an individual would need to flee to Canada, like before, where no doubt he/ she/ zeit/ etc would be given refugee status

 

[Bucktee]

US laws pertaining to conscription for military service

Ryan Joseph on Instagram: "Follow if you like the joke. For full 45min set DM me #Trans #militaryhumor #transmilitary #soldiergirl #darkcomedy #lgbtq"

13K likes, 54 comments - theonlyryanjoseph on March 23, 2025: "Follow if you like the joke. For full 45min set DM me #Trans #militaryhumor #transmilitary #soldiergirl #darkcomedy #lgbtq".

www.instagram.com

 

[Bucktee]

As I mentioned before, there is significant evidence that there are different ranges of physiological features in brains of men and women and in trans people, many have brains that more closely correspond to their identified gender and brain physiological changes do happen because of genes and their expressions. I am sure that there some cases of trans people where this is not the case and I'm sure there will be some pathologically driven athletes who will live as a different gender just to win but there is experimentally a biological and genetic basis for gender.

It's unfortunate that there is an incongruence between their brain structure and the rest of their physiology. But that's no reason to allow those individuals to compete in sports against individuals whose brains and bodies align.

Regardless of the differences in their brains, they have all the physical advantages of a man.

 

[Stoo]

The future of the whole world rides on which high school kid wins a race. The NCAA has (had?) single digit trans people out of the half million athletes.

Look, I'm very supportive of people living their best lives whether they be straight, gay, trans, green or dwarfs.... But competing in sports is bit of an exception, or it needs to be. If a male transitions, she may well have the appropriate hormones for her self, but she's got the muscle mass, probably height/size of her former self. Yes, I appreciate that muscle mass is likely reduced, but it's probably still a lot larger than a a young woman who was born that way.

Even looking at the video of the race, well, you know the expression, "He runs like a girl!" says it all. The girls are all running like, well, girls. The subject of this news item most definitely doesn't "run like a girl"... she runs like a dude with long hair and a skirt. Her stride is different, her arms swing differently.

And to address your sarcastic comment about the world.. Well, a trans athlete WON'T change much in the world, but to the young lady who comes in second to this trans athlete it means lost scholarships, a shot at the pros and more. Second means nothing in sports.

 

[basketcase]

Look, I'm very supportive of people living their best lives whether they be straight, gay, trans, green or dwarfs.... But competing in sports is bit of an exception, or it needs to be. If a male transitions, she may well have the appropriate hormones for her self, but she's got the muscle mass, probably height/size of her former self. Yes, I appreciate that muscle mass is likely reduced, but it's probably still a lot larger than a a young woman who was born that way.

Even looking at the video of the race, well, you know the expression, "He runs like a girl!" says it all. The girls are all running like, well, girls. The subject of this news item most definitely doesn't "run like a girl"... she runs like a dude with long hair and a skirt. Her stride is different, her arms swing differently.

And to address your sarcastic comment about the world.. Well, a trans athlete WON'T change much in the world, but to the young lady who comes in second to this trans athlete it means lost scholarships, a shot at the pros and more. Second means nothing in sports.

I appreciate your comments. I agree that there needs to be some real investigation into what is best instead of just knee jerk bans. An athlete who changes their lived identity and immediately starts competing as a woman is different than a trans person who has been on hormone therapy for years which is different from an athlete who delayed male puberty then used hormones to go through puberty as a woman. Even more idiotic is the demands to implement bans on pre-pubescents where it is scientifically clear that there is no sex benefit.

I'm not against regulations on where, when, and how it is appropriate for tarns women to compete but I just want those regulations based on science and not simply an invented moral panic. And it wasn't sarcastic, it's a fact that trans athletes make up such an insignificant number of people that it has no impact on society other than using at as a political wedge issue.

p.s. As an athlete who played numerous contact sports, I've played against plenty of people where I was on the losing side of height and muscle mass and in many cases outperformed them. That excuse doesn't hold as much weight with me and suspect many of the guys complaining about it are either just freaked out by trans (or gay) people or view women as delicate flowers we need to protect from the world.

 

[basketcase]

Somewhat related to this topic:

US laws pertaining to conscription for military service have been changed so that women are eligible to be drafted. It's unlikely that many or even any women would be drafted for combat duty, (but some might enlist). They may, however, be inducted to fill specific military needs, such as in medicine, or making sandwiches and bringing beers to off duty fighting men

This change also prevents an otherwise able-bodied male from avoiding military service by declaring that he's no longer a man. Such an individual would need to flee to Canada, like before, where no doubt he/ she/ zeit/ etc would be given refugee status

Women on average might lag behind in terms of weight they can carry and ability in hand to hand combat against larger opponents but I'm not aware on a lack of endurance, decision making, or the ability to pull a trigger.

 

[Bucktee]

Even more idiotic is the demands to implement bans on pre-pubescents where it is scientifically clear that there is no sex benefit.

I haven't seen anyone arguing for such a ban. Co-ed competition has always been a thing, however there should definitely be boys-only and girls-only competitions.

Boys and girls are fundamentally different mentally & physically, and the culture created in boys-only competition reflects that.

 

[basketcase]

I haven't seen anyone arguing for such a ban. Co-ed competition has always been a thing, however there should definitely be boys-only and girls-only competitions.

Boys and girls are fundamentally different mentally & physically, and the culture created in boys-only competition reflects that.

Interesting. In one sentence you claim to have no issue with prepubescent boys and girls competing against each other and in the next claim that despite the actual science boys have an unfair advantage.

 

[Bucktee]

Interesting. In one sentence you claim to have no issue with prepubescent boys and girls competing against each other and in the next claim that despite the actual science boys have an unfair advantage.

Different doesn't mean advantage.

In fact, girls mature physically faster than boys so they would have the physical advantage.

Come clean, you've never played sport competitively. Just like your [lack of] knowledge about firearms, your take on sport comes from a place of not knowing.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Women on average might lag behind in terms of weight they can carry and ability in hand to hand combat against larger opponents but I'm not aware on a lack of endurance, decision making, or the ability to pull a trigger.

The vast majority of women in the draft age demographic are not fit for combat duty. This is a size issue for many; they are either too large or too small to be useful in close combat. There are, of course exceptions, and there are also many positions in the military which don't require demonstrative fighting skills after boot camp. Drafting women specifically for the purpose of combat sounds like a desperation move in a war certain to end in defeat, not because the women are fighting, but because there weren't enough able-bodied males to conscript.

 

[basketcase]

The vast majority of women in the draft age demographic are not fit for combat duty. This is a size issue for many; they are either too large or too small to be useful in close combat. There are, of course exceptions, and there are also many positions in the military which don't require demonstrative fighting skills after boot camp. Drafting women specifically for the purpose of combat sounds like a desperation move in a war certain to end in defeat, not because the women are fighting, but because there weren't enough able-bodied males to conscript.

As I said, carrying capacity and hand to hand combat are a weakness. But if you talk to soldiers who have deployed to combat zones, ask how many of them have engaged in hand to hand with the enemy? For that matter, how many have had to even fire a weapon in combat. In the case that a draft was needed, women soldiers would mean twice as many fingers to pull triggers.

 

[basketcase]

Different doesn't mean advantage.

In fact, girls mature physically faster than boys so they would have the physical advantage.

Come clean, you've never played sport competitively. Just like your [lack of] knowledge about firearms, your take on sport comes from a place of not knowing.

So you agree that despite the outrage in the christian identity community, there is no harm in prepubescent boys playing alongside girls, no matter their gender identity.