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Transgender runner blows out competition, sets season records in girls' races at Oregon high

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There are surely a few Trans athletes ratio but how many biological male Trans athletes are excelling on women's sports? That's the onus. I will bet all my assets there is no biological female excelling on men's sports....
As I said, NCAA stats have lest than 10 trans women athletes out of a total of 500,000 athletes and most of them aren't winning championships.

You can make a fair argument about the fairness of that swimmer swimming as a guy one season and a woman the next but other trans people have been on puberty blockers since childhood and wouldn't have had any of the impacts of male puberty.
 

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That doesn't matter. If Serena Williams plays a 15 yr old woman teenager in Tennis and beats her 6-0, 6-0, it's all legal. Reason being, both women were born with Vaginas!!
And a 15 year old female boxer can get her brain destroyed by a 30 year old woman without anyone complaining.
 

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In my world and more importantly in Trump's world. Women born with Vaginas, compete in women's sports, ...
But you were against that boxer competing as a woman. It seems she is one of those rare cases where despite possible having XY chromosomes, her body developed as a female with all of the female sexual organs.

As I've said before, this moral panic is not based on science but just inconsistent arguments.
 

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Ok, sure. Tell you what. Let's just eliminate gender categories in all sports. Period. Olympics everything. And that includes competition for scholarships, and all the NCAA money. Total level playing field. Its all fluid now. So no need for them.

Same in MMA and Boxing.

Let's see what happens.
Lol. Your argument gets wrecked and you react with hysterics. Sports categories have changed over the years based on what the audience desires. For example, there used to be no such thing as weight categories in combat sports.

But instead of taking a rational and scientifically backed attempt to discuss what is 'fair' and perhaps even learning something, you just show your normal response to having your ideas challenged.
 

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What percentage of the population falls into this category? And, do these trans "winners" fall into this category, or are they just regular XYs?
As I said, a small number. Pre-trump, trans people represented 0.002% of NCAA athletes but that hasn't stopped a bunch of men who don't care about women's sports at all from pretending it is the largest crisis facing us.
 

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Hey, if you are going to have competition that involves very real stakes and money involved then having a level playing field is important. ...
So we need to find a way to eliminate the biological advantages Bolt or Phelps so it's fair to me?
 

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Their sex was "assigned" male at birth? How exactly was it assigned? The doctor flipped a coin and said "heads its a boy, tails its a girl?"
Sure wasn't by a DNA test, just a quick look at whether it looked more like an innie or an outie.

Sadly for the religious types pushing this agenda, biological sex is far more complex, intersex people are a thing, and there even is evidence that brain anatomy plays a role in gender.
 

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So we need to find a way to eliminate the biological advantages Bolt or Phelps so it's fair to me?
Lol. So then why not just eliminate gender based sports? Just let them all compete? And same eith weight classes?

Is that what you want?
 

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Again, she was assigned female at birth because her body developed to produce female sex organs, despite the fact that she may be an intersex person with XY chromosomes.
The IOC didn't even do hormone testing in women's boxing,lol...That's egregious. It's a combat sport for Christs sake.

Khlaif was disqualified by the IBA because he didn't meet the criteria of being a female.

Guess the undescended testes did him in...

I'd bet my bottom dollar that Brittney Griner is also intersex..But the black lesbian dominated WNBA won't have any part of that.
 
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The IOC didn't even do hormone testing in women's boxing,lol...That's egregious. It's a combat sport for Christs sake.

Khlaif was disqualified by the IBA because he didn't meet the criteria of being a female.

Guess the undescended testes did him in...

I'd bet my bottom dollar that Brittney Griner is also intersex..But the black lesbian dominated WNBA won't have any part of that.
Amazing how you keep changing your definition of man and woman. You said it's about what bits they have down there but when exposed to reality, you now say you want it to be about hormone levels.

I guess we can now talk about the biological reality that hormone levels are quite varied among both men and women. That means that through discussion and study, a T limit would need to be found that will end up excluding some women with XX chromosomes and female sexual organs just because they are in the higher end of normal hormone ranges.
 

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Yet you guys are freaking out about a trans high school woman who's performance won't even get her a scholarship.
Men shouldn't be competing in women's sports...That's simple.

Go follow Martina Navratilova on X...See what she has to say about it...She's about as left wing as it gets too.

Christ even Rene Richards is against it now...How do explain that?
 
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Lol. So then why not just eliminate gender based sports? Just let them all compete? And same eith weight classes?

Is that what you want?
Did you not read me making fun of you for this idea in a previous post. You're just salty that your poorly conceived argument fell apart and now just want to make up bullshit.

It's obvious you have no interest in discussing what's fair or women's sports but simply feel the need to protect your ego and overinflated sense of self.
 

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Men shouldn't be competing in women's sports...That's simple.

Go follow Martina Navratilova on X...See what she has to say about it...She's about as left wing as it gets too.

Christ even Rene Richards is against it now...How do explain that?
Still refusing to admit that you won't even stick to a definition of what man and woman means?
 
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