Tough Justin

[Not getting younger]

Dinklemouse,
It’s getting way too long to respond to things.

So will go with hydro. Yeah that’s the justification. And in some ways it makes sense.At the end of the day, Hydro is a mess here, largely because certain areas are hydro pigs..And we added a shit ton of juice..
It’s not rural Ontario/Canada you can see from the moon…….but and as I said. IF they can use different rates for that…they can adjust carbon taxes. Such that Those who are actually destroying the environment…carry their weight..

Choice of living in the country has nothing to do with that. I don’t choose to sit in grid lock, or at Tim’s. Or need fields razed for shopping convenience, “I” don’t choose to pollute the air….Dissapointed you’d use that. It would be and is more accurate to say “you choose” to live where…

Urban sprawl may be unavoidable but there is no arguing, who/what is actually destroying the environment.

Consider.
A lot of climate deniers, “conservatives” will point their fingers at China and say “they are the problem…”…….China is to the world, what the GTA is to Ontario…and yet…..

Little factoid for you all. Canada is one of the worlds worst polluters on a per capita basis.

 

[JohnLarue]

More people that either don’t read, or have trouble grasping things. What gives you the idea I have ever, or will even vote NDP?If you’re going to take a shot at someone you might want some ammo. All that is is a blank.

is the average IQ here less than 100?

what part of “let’s move to an alternative reality” is above your reading level, Or intelligence level.
/golf clap

there is no reality where the NDP have the best policies
simply because their policies ignore reality

i guess you did not think that through now did you ?

 

[DinkleMouse]

Dinklemouse,
It’s getting way too long to respond to things.

So will go with hydro. Yeah that’s the justification. And in some ways it makes sense.
At the end of the day, Hydro is a mess here, largely because certain areas are hydro pigs..
It’s not rural Ontario/Canada you can see from the moon…….but and as I said. IF they can use different rates for that…they can adjust carbon taxes. Such that Those who are actually destroying the environment…carry their weight..
Choice has nothing to do with that. I don’t choose to sit in grid lock, or at Tim’s. Or need fields razed for shopping convenience, “I” don’t choose to pollute the air….

Consider.
A lot of climate deniers, “conservatives” will point their fingers at China and say “they are the problem…”…….China is to the world, what the GTA is to Ontario…

And yet China is closer to meeting it's climate targets than any other country in the G7. China is on track to overachieve it's 2030 targets. Most of the rest of us are going to fall very far short. And we got to industrialize and gather wealth while polluting as much as we wanted, and now we're going to tell China they can't do the same thing? Even when they're doing it cleaner and better than we ever did? And not only that, but after all our hand wringing and complaining that "China" is the problem and so why would we do anything, they're going to surpass their targets and we're going to fail to meet ours. It's not a good look. We caused the problem, then we're pointing at China to fix it, and then they're going to do more to fix it than we did. Sure makes us look like assholea.

Though deniers aren't saying it's China's fault really. It's right in the name: they deny it's happening at all. Can't blame China for a thing you say doesn't exist. That's inane.

Are you sure this is really the strong argument you think it is?

Per capita, the GTA has lower carbon emissions than rural Ontario. But rural Ontario usually uses the carbon sink it lives in to offset it's numbers. But that sink would exist anyway.

Living rural, on average, causes more pollution than living urban.

Who Has the Bigger Carbon Footprint, Rural or Urban Dwellers? - Climate Adaptation Platform

The answer might surprise you. Is it vast pasture lands against rows of high-rise apartments or fewer population than crowded city streets?

climateadaptationplatform.com

And if you're the exception to the rule and you're not "choosing to pollute" then you shouldn't be paying any carbon taxes to begin with and you're well ahead.

This also wasn't the strong argument you thought it was.

 

[Not getting younger]

there is no reality where the NDP have the best policies
simply because their policies ignore reality

i guess you did not think that through now did you ?

I quite agree. Have to assume alternative reality is above your comprehension level.

 

[Not getting younger]

And yet China is closer to meeting it's climate targets than any other country in the G7. China is on track to overachieve it's 2030 targets. Most of the rest of us are going to fall very far short. And we got to industrialize and gather wealth while polluting as much as we wanted, and now we're going to tell China they can't do the same thing? Even when they're doing it cleaner and better than we ever did? And not only that, but after all our hand wringing and complaining that "China" is the problem and so why would we do anything, they're going to surpass their targets and we're going to fail to meet ours. It's not a good look. We caused the problem, then we're pointing at China to fix it, and then they're going to do more to fix it than we did. Sure makes us look like assholea.

Though deniers aren't saying it's China's fault really. It's right in the name: they deny it's happening at all. Can't blame China for a thing you say doesn't exist. That's inane.

Are you sure this is really the strong argument you think it is?

Per capita, the GTA has lower carbon emissions than rural Ontario. But rural Ontario usually uses the carbon sink it lives in to offset it's numbers. But that sink would exist anyway.

Living rural, on average, causes more pollution than living urban.

Who Has the Bigger Carbon Footprint, Rural or Urban Dwellers? - Climate Adaptation Platform

The answer might surprise you. Is it vast pasture lands against rows of high-rise apartments or fewer population than crowded city streets?

climateadaptationplatform.com

And if you're the exception to the rule and you're not "choosing to pollute" then you shouldn't be paying any carbon taxes to begin with and you're well ahead.

This also wasn't the strong argument you thought it was.

Did you just say urban sprawl isn’t the biggest the problem… I think you did. Wow. Do you have any idea how many trees cut….what happens when fields are razed to both flora and fauna?
Streams to?
Can we also talk raising salinity levels in our lakes and streams thanks to all the road salt? And about those roads..all that concrete…and earths rising temperatures….

But if you’re going to make that argument. Maybe I can just go with..where is big industry…in the country? Where are the millions of cars JT is so hot about about. Because they use fossil and..

 

[Not getting younger]

Canada’s dirty secret

Canada leads the developed world in per capita production of garbage. What’s behind our nation’s wasteful ways?

canadiangeographic.ca

 

[DinkleMouse]

Did you just say urban sprawl isn’t the biggest the problem… I think you did. Wow. Do you have any idea how many trees cut….what happens when fields are razed to both flora and fauna?
Streams to?
Can we also talk raising salinity levels in our lakes and streams thanks to all the road salt? And about those roads..all that concrete…and earths rising temperatures….

But if you’re going to make that argument. Maybe I can just go with..where is big industry…in the country? Where are the millions of cars JT is so hot about about. Because they use fossil and..

And if those people didn't live in the city, they'll live in tents and no trees would be cut? And they wouldn't need to increase the transportation infrastructure around the businesses in the cities, but also even more rural transportation infrastructure getting people in and out of the cities? You'd also eliminate the effectiveness of what mass transit there is, increasing both the number of vehicles on the road and the amount of time they idle.

Remote work would be super helpful though, and certainly would help. Can we agree on that? Because I know who didn't agree with that and what's people going back into offices. Can you guys who I'm talking about? I'll give you a hint: he complains that Justin Trudeau doesn't answer questions, but once told a reporter, "I'm going to answer the question I want to answer not the question you want me to answer."

I literally linked to the science that rural generate more emissions per capita than rural too. But hey, if you prefer anecdotes, you do you.

And you're back to JT too I see. I've called him a clown unfit to run a 7-11, remember? Bringing him up doesn't affect me because he's an asshat.

I also pointed out there China is ahead of everyone on climate targets but I see you also ignored that. Cherry picking isn't ideal if you want to have good-faith discussions.

 

[Not getting younger]

Dinklemouse
I don’t have a problem really with the GTA other than perhaps it’s voting patterns, lived there myself most of my life. If I wanted I could just as easily “argue” a lot of the benefits too. But when it comes to some of the things like carbon taxes, “killing fossil” (Alberta). The GTA does live in a bubble per se.

 

[JohnLarue]

I quite agree. Have to assume alternative reality is above your comprehension level.

there is no reality where the NDP have the best policies

there is no reality includes both real reality and any alternative reality
I will have to assume this fact is is above your comprehension level, despite the immediate & obvious meaning of there is no reality
what part of these four words is causing you so much confusion ?

 

[Frankfooter]

Did you just say urban sprawl isn’t the biggest the problem… I think you did. Wow. Do you have any idea how many trees cut….what happens when fields are razed to both flora and fauna?
Streams to?
Can we also talk raising salinity levels in our lakes and streams thanks to all the road salt? And about those roads..all that concrete…and earths rising temperatures….

But if you’re going to make that argument. Maybe I can just go with..where is big industry…in the country? Where are the millions of cars JT is so hot about about. Because they use fossil and..

I agree, the Greenbelt land sales is urban sprawl at its worst. Building typical suburban expansion is bad, we need to increase densification smartly.

 

[bazokajoe]

This is called whataboutism. Multiple can be weak and sensitive.



His constituents would disagree. All members of parliament, be they a cabinet member or a back bencher, in the ruling party, the official opposition, or neither, have the same core job. And as candidate shoot a for office it absolutely is his job to propose solutions. When he ran for head of the Conservative party, it was his job to propose solutions.



Yes. And they get far more back than they pay in carbon tax. You seem to have the same grasp of economics as PP does. Please, tell me how a net positive income is a hardship. Hardly a solution.



It's been closed. He wants to close the thing that's closed and end a program that helps low income earners because they are facing financial hardship. Got it. He's proposed those 2 solutions. Wow. Great platform. What's next? Compassion the military is underfunded and propose disbanding it to fix the funding issue?

You really are out to lunch.

 

[Butler1000]

You, are treading on very, very, thin ice. You might want to use that thing god gave you between your shoulders…Never know what people you have no clue about have been through…..

Because you are right. I have had to travel to Lakeridge health, ever week bringing my wife for chemo and radiation……….

idiot.
No doubt you will disappear without a word. Not even man enough to say ah man fuck how could I know..my bad…

And on that note.
Yeah, have to wonder about that. No doubt you think all the infrastructure that built the 416/905, that draws companies, as well as all the corporate welfare, so they can pay people lots of money. And governments then use those tax dollars for services…

what you think building the GTA was free?
I bet you do.. So who paid for all of that?

I will start with compassion. I'm so sorry you and your spouse had to go through that. Both the actual treatment and the fear and uncertainty of the process. I'm also glad and heartened she survived(I do hope as your post seems to say) and hope the remission came with a full recovery for her, her life and the joys she can find again.

I too have dealt with this. Have had loved ones both survive and not survive. Seen cancer do what it does. Also Parkinson's, ALS, and other diseases, Syndromes, and natural defects. So I understand the uncertainty, and fear that goes with it.

And so does the rest of the world. We all have stories, experiences that parallel your own. So you are not unique. You are common. It's in that commonality we find empathy. We find collective will to help each other. To accomplish goals no individual can.

Which proves my point. Completely. Quite simply you don't get to claim some extra ordinary right to shut down opinions and conversations just because of your family experience with cancer. Or any other disease. There are too many of US with the same experience. Next you don't get to claim some extra ordinary burden of payment for the collective use of tax payer money that helps Canadian Society. That you choose not to live in a larger city is fine, and a choice. But the services carry on. Libertarianism sucks. Sorry it does. It is selfish and builds nothing.

That's the reality of being Canadian. Its our strength. Collective will to make things better, due to collective experiences that make people want to make things better

I do sincerely hope it all worked out. I've been on both ends.

 

[DinkleMouse]

Dinklemouse
I don’t have a problem really with the GTA other than perhaps it’s voting patterns, lived there myself most of my life. If I wanted I could just as easily “argue” a lot of the benefits too. But when it comes to some of the things like carbon taxes, “killing fossil” (Alberta). The GTA does live in a bubble per se.

Last year Alberta's 5 biggest oil producers made $38.3 BILLION in PROFITS. What were you saying about "killing fossil"?

 

[DinkleMouse]

You really are out to lunch.

Very constructive contribution. You've certainly changed my opinion.

 

[Not getting younger]

Last

And if those people didn't live in the city, they'll live in tents and no trees would be cut? And they wouldn't need to increase the transportation infrastructure around the businesses in the cities, but also even more rural transportation infrastructure getting people in and out of the cities? You'd also eliminate the effectiveness of what mass transit there is, increasing both the number of vehicles on the road and the amount of time they idle.

Remote work would be super helpful though, and certainly would help. Can we agree on that? Because I know who didn't agree with that and what's people going back into offices. Can you guys who I'm talking about? I'll give you a hint: he complains that Justin Trudeau doesn't answer questions, but once told a reporter, "I'm going to answer the question I want to answer not the question you want me to answer."

I literally linked to the science that rural generate more emissions per capita than rural too. But hey, if you prefer anecdotes, you do you.

And you're back to JT too I see. I've called him a clown unfit to run a 7-11, remember? Bringing him up doesn't affect me because he's an asshat.

I also pointed out there China is ahead of everyone on climate targets but I see you also ignored that. Cherry picking isn't ideal if you want to have good-faith discussions.

“Back to JT”
Isn’t that the topic????????
and are you suggesting the current political climate is “fossil friendly”. Because it certainly seems that’s what your arguing.

I means “seriously”…

 

[Not getting younger]

One last thing Dinklemouse.
While I read some of your link. “Climateadaption hardly seems “nutrual “…

try rhis. Also seems a little more scientific.

Sustainable consumption has been addressed from different perspectives in numerous studies. Recently, urban structure-related lifestyle issues have gained more emphasis in the research as cities search for effective strategies to reduce their 80% share of the global carbon emissions.

https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/sustainability/sustainability-03-01234/article_deploy/sustainability-03-01234.pdf?version=1424776469

Nor should it take degrees in science to just look at and compare somethings. Like deforestation, pollution, razing fields etc etc. not to mention where the vast majority of industry will be located…

And I wonder, how much fossil by products are used in building housing, paving roads, parking lots, plastic in all that refuse shipped somewhere by the GTA etc and on so…

We could also maybe look at Transports needed to ship, food, products, etc and so on..

So hopefully once again, “try to come full circle, and on topic…JT and the liberals. Then consider the “hostility”, some demographics, who tends to vote Liberal, carbon taxes….why/ how they are being applied. And who “generally” speaking doesn’t have access to public transit, but will put more KMs, on the vehicles, who or maybe what is actually chopping forest down, paving oh so much, generating oh so much pollution…kind of um…..

I sometimes also wonder why not simply slap road tolls on all major highways too..But that would likely piss off a whole lotta voters.
/points to howls about tolls on the 412-418

 

[JohnLarue]

And yet China is closer to meeting it's climate targets than any other country in the G7. China is on track to overachieve it's 2030 targets. Most of the rest of us are going to fall very far short. And we got to industrialize and gather wealth while polluting as much as we wanted, and now we're going to tell China they can't do the same thing? Even when they're doing it cleaner and better than we ever did? And not only that, but after all our hand wringing and complaining that "China" is the problem and so why would we do anything, they're going to surpass their targets and we're going to fail to meet ours. It's not a good look. We caused the problem, then we're pointing at China to fix it, and then they're going to do more to fix it than we did. Sure makes us look like assholea.

what targets? are so gullible you believe china has real targets?
who are the assholes/

hint, do not take anything the chinese communist claim as being honest or complete

Though deniers aren't saying it's China's fault really. It's right in the name: they deny it's happening at all. Can't blame China for a thing you say doesn't exist. That's inane.

#1. do not use the word deniers , you are not the definitive authority on this issue
#2 does china produce more CO2 emissions than any other country? Yes and by quite a bit

#3 Is CO2 the control knob for our climate? Nope

 

[JohnLarue]

Last year Alberta's 5 biggest oil producers made $38.3 BILLION in PROFITS. What were you saying about "killing fossil"?

and how did they pay in royalty taxes and income taxes ?

RBC: oil and gas companies poured $48 billion into government coffers | Financial Post

Jul 22, 2022

Who needs a windfall tax? Oil and gas companies poured $48 billion into government coffers this year, says RBC

That could rise to $64 billion in royalties and taxes in 2023 if oil prices stay high

do you not get tired of being so poorly informed?

 

[Frankfooter]

#3 Is CO2 the control knob for our climate? Nope

This statement confirms you deny the science.

 

[Not getting younger]

and how did they pay in royalty taxes and income taxes ?

RBC: oil and gas companies poured $48 billion into government coffers | Financial Post

Jul 22, 2022


do you not get tired of being so poorly informed?

I’m kind of hoping Alberta follows through on the threat to withdraw from CPP.