Wrong. This brawl started at the opening face off. The Leaf, Sabre brawl was mid game. The game had been chippy and a fight between a bigger Leaf player and a much smaller Sabre player was the main reason Scott went after Kessel. Two different set of circumstances. Not to mention Torts is apparentely being looked at by Colin Campbell for possible fine or suspension, no mention of Hartley being disciplined. We will have to see how this plays out.
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Irrelevant. As if bad blood can't carry over, especially between division rivals.
Your quote was "there is no way the Calgary goons would have jumped Canucks first time players". Well, you have very recent proof that goons do jump 1st liners or are you implying that the Calgary goons are more honourable than the Sabre goons. The mid-game argument is silly. That is one way animosity can build but not the only way.
Oh the preseason game again ?
The much smaller Sabre ? Much smaller, really ?
In any event ... I guess in hindsight the 'little guy' should not have started the fight.
So in your NHL Chara cannot fight anyone.
John Scott?
Actually, I'd like to just listen to those two talk. John Scott is one of the brightest guys in the league and Chara comes across as extremely thoughtful.
lolJohn Scott?
Actually, I'd like to just listen to those two talk. John Scott is one of the brightest guys in the league and Chara comes across as extremely thoughtful.
OK they may only fight each other.
I stand by my take on the situation. Torts is going to get nailed with some kind of suspension and/or fine. Hartley is in the clear if the league felt Hartley pre meditated this thing he would be up on the carpet as well. So I guess we agree to disagree. Also take note of two incidents involving Canuck enforcers earlier in the week. Sestito jumped Nolan of the Kings at a face off because he had checked one of the Sedin's twins earlier in the game also as I stated earlier in this post check out the 3rd period penalty stats of the Canuck/Ducks game on the 15th. Nothing but Canuck goons fighting and misconducts only two ducks got penalties and they were just 10 min. misconducts. The Canucks have been involved in some nasty affairs this week and they have been playing very chippy hockey lately.
If the Sedin's were on the ice at the start of the game and the same brawl occurred Hartley would be facing a very lengthy suspension and very large fine. He's not that dumb to ask for the league to hand him his head on a platter. There is no limit what the league can fine a coach they are not covered under the CBA.
Sounds like you're changing your reasoning. First it is that a goon wouldn't go after a 1st liner now it is coach doesn't want to be fined.
The point is that just this season Scott went after Kessel and I'd imagine coach sanctions can't be drastically changed from September. Just as I can't be sure something would have happened it is equally uncertain on your part that nothing would have. Recent history demonstrates that it is a distinct possibility. No one knows. The only sure thing is that both coaches contributed to making it happen.
Ok Fair enough. But Torts is the only one being singled out by the league. An in person hearing usually means some kind of discipline, and Hartley seems to be in the clear on this one. Let's put this to rest and talk about the Leafs upcoming 4 game road trip. Back to back games with Phoenix and Colorado will tell if they can keep the momentum going. Dallas and Winnipeg look to be easier pickings as the Stars have been awful lately but the Jets seem to be playing better under their new coach. If the buds have a bad road trip they will come home around 10th or 11th place.
I know a lot of people think Hartley is also to blame for what happened but if you think about it he put his 4th line out there and that forced Torts into a really tough decision, do I put my first line out and hope they don't get hurt? or do I put my 4th line out and hope things don't get out of hand because I will get the blame. Pretty ballsy move by Hartley to force Torts hand, unfortunately for Torts it's going to come out bad for him. It's not a good sign when Bettman and Daly decide to be present during his hearing. Still no decision announced by the league.
Maybe it's part of the Coaches' Code. The players refer to the one that they have.
Oh Shack don't get me started on that! I've never believed in all that shit, "the code", "unwritten rule", "you just don't do that". There's a rule book for a reason, it's either within the rules or it's not. Sorry I just had to say that. lol
Torts could have started his second or third line and let them draw some instigator penalities against Calgary's goons. Also, the first intermission was about an hour after the opening faceoff. He had a lot of time to think about what he was going to do. Have to think maybe he was calculating a way to light a fire under his slumping, lethargic team.
Well, here's at least one time we agree. I do feel though there should be a certain honour among athletes, beyond the rule book, to treat eachother respectfully, even while competing hard. It is a sentiment that applies to all athletes not that hockey players are somehow different.
That code about having to fight for a teammate, even if he's legally hit, that kind of stuff is baloney.
I agree about the respect thing and also respecting the game which a bunch of baseball players recently chose not to respect by cheating with PED 's. Hell I think there are cheats in all the the team sports. Anyway Tortorella gets a 15 day suspension without pay. He will miss 6 games , no mention how much money the 15 days will cost him.
