Toronto Maple Leafs 2013/14 Season

[Polaris]

Tonight, I am truly disappointed with the Leafs.

At some point, playing a good game, is not enough. You have to win, and have to beat those guys.

Two reasons the Leafs loss. They did not want it as badly enough like the Bruins did.

Riemer.

What's Rimer's record against the Bruins anyways? It would be pretty bad I would think.

All goals, again in close because of the rebounds.

That is all the Bruins ever do against the Leafs. Point shots and rebounds. That probably account for 80% of the goals scored against the Leafs the past couple of years.

If the Leafs had Rask, the Bruins Riemer, the Leafs would win this game.

That's what they say in football. In a big game, Riemer comes up small. Again against the Bruins.

A few other Leafs did not look so good in this game. Frasor and Ranger, Liles probably would have done better. McClemet looks washed up.

Leafs got some real good talent in the top 6 forwards, but the bottom 6 looks like a work in progress with thee injuries and not enough personnel.

:deadhorse:

 

[Insidious Von]

If you are putting the blame on Reimer for last night's loss then your hockey knowledge is limited.

It's difficult to pick up points against the Bruins after playing the night before, under the circumstances they acquitted themselves well. Fraser has just returned from injury, he hasn't gotten his game legs back yet. Once he delivers a hit and his knee holds you'll see a much more truculent game from him. As to the depleted centerman position Nonis should stay the course. There's no point in taking two steps backwards for a bandage solution.

George you are correct, Awrey it was.

 

[Rockslinger]

Let's be blunt. Other than Kessel and maybe one or two of our goalies the other players on the 2013 edition of the Leafs are no better than average. No Sundin, no Salming, no Gilmour, no Sittler, etc.

 

[blackrock13]

Let's be blunt. Other than Kessel and maybe one or two of our goalies the other players on the 2013 edition of the Leafs are no better than average. No Sundin, no Salming, no Gilmour, no Sittler, etc.

Sure, pick 5 of the best that ever wore the jersey in modern times. The third youngest team in the league has lots of room to grow, individually and as a team. It's been a while since they've had a top pick in the draft, so they've had to build by trades and signings. If the injury bug doesn't hit, they should do better than last year. Remember they were in the top half their conference last year, better than they've done in a while.

Where were the Kings in 2012, when they won the cup? I'll help, middle of the pack in the west.

 

[Rockslinger]

The best Leaf team since the 1967 Cup team was probably the 1993-94 team.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000381994.html

or maybe the 1994-95 team
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000381995.html

 

[blackrock13]

The best Leaf team since the 1967 Cup team was probably the 1993-94 team.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000381994.html

or maybe the 1994-95 team
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000381995.html

That applies to your post on todays team how? 2012 LA was not a team full of major stars, ended the season in themiddle of the pack and yet won the big prize. It's a team sport and that is what makes a champion. At one time the Kings had the best player ever to lace on skates at the time and yet did nothing while he was on the team.

 

[shack]

line, its much harder to shut down an entire team capable of scoring on all lines...

...barring injuries.

 

[Rockslinger]

Top all star is clearly Kessel
But the following are quite good, and able to put up decent points
Bozak
JVR
Kadri
Phaneuf
and Lupul

from there you won't get the same level of points, but yet more help by
Clarkson
Bolland
Raymond
Franson
and Gardiner

I hear you but even after 1967, the Leafs always had at least one great centre, Sittler, Gilmour and Sundin. As much as I like Bozak, Kadri and Bollard, I would trade all 3 for one Gilmour or Sundin or Sittler. Successful teams have strength down the middle.
The current team relies too much on Kessel.

 

[whatwhat]

You're right about them being weak up the middle, rock. I think MLSE has done a great job at acquiring some excellent wingers and now they just have to add one piece up the middle and another D. The Leafs are in great shape right now and they are very close to being able to hang with any team. The Leafs/Boston game was really close and for a really long time, the Leafs outplayed the Bruins which is quite an accomplishment compared to years ago where the B's would pummel the Leafs into oblivion.
This team is going to be great in a few years and is already good/competitive as is.

 

[Polaris]

If you are putting the blame on Reimer for last night's loss then your hockey knowledge is limited.

Then you tell us why the Leafs always lose the Bruins, why most goals against Riemer are plays in front of the crease where Reimer does not control the puck. This has been going on for 2 years now how the Bruins score against the Leafs.

Notice how Riemer always beats the Montreal Canadians, and the Ottawa Senators because those teams have smaller forwards, and the Leafs defense are able to clear the puck from the rebounds Riemer gives up. In this league, no one is going to out battle Zeno Chara in front of the goal for a rebound. Lucik, Bergeron, Kerdci, there are bigger than the Leafs defense. They don't even have to try to make a play, just get on net and go for the rebound Riemer gives up. Sooner or later that goes in. Just like game seven from last year.

Next game against Boston, just start Bernier. Square to the puck, no rebounds. Instead of flopping all over the place.

 

[Polaris]

Let's be blunt. Other than Kessel and maybe one or two of our goalies the other players on the 2013 edition of the Leafs are no better than average. No Sundin, no Salming, no Gilmour, no Sittler, etc.

The Leafs, this year edition, is on the cusp of being an elite team.

However, if they slip, then they probably just a borderline playoff team.

Look at where the Leafs finished last season. Not in first, but cruised into the playoffs.

Not an elite team, but most likely a playoff team.

The question is this, can the Leafs make that jump from being a playoff team, to being an elite team.

Yet again, they could not beat the Bruins. The effort was there, but the result is the same.

 

[teassoc]

The Leafs, this year edition, is on the cusp of being an elite team.

However, if they slip, then they probably just a borderline playoff team.

Look at where the Leafs finished last season. Not in first, but cruised into the playoffs.

Not an elite team, but most likely a playoff team.

The question is this, can the Leafs make that jump from being a playoff team, to being an elite team.

Yet again, they could not beat the Bruins. The effort was there, but the result is the same.

They are an elite team with all key players healthy. Playoff otherwise.

 

[sasemohan123]

It is not fair to blame the lost on Rheimer, not at all. He played a good game, keeping the Leafs in it, especially in the first period when the Leaf have no energy whatsoever, waves after waves coming, he only let in a goal that is more the defense fault than his. The winning goal was scored when a Leaf was on top of him being pushed onto Rheimer by a Bruin and nobody took care of Bergeron who was alone and have a gaping net to shoot.

Leafs actually came out in the second period and pushed back to make Bruins look like Koalas , good to see. Sometimes you have to look at the positive and take a lost as it is: a lost to a good team, doing that Buds has shown they are the same like last year series, pushing back and building their pride and confidence as a team. Growing pain!

Having said that, next game against Boston, I bet you RC WILL PUT Bernier in net and have a different result, watch for it on Jan 14.

 

[Bargnani_]

It is not fair to blame the lost on Rheimer, not at all. He played a good game, keeping the Leafs in it, especially in the first period when the Leaf have no energy whatsoever, waves after waves coming, he only let in a goal that is more the defense fault than his. The winning goal was scored when a Leaf was on top of him being pushed onto Rheimer by a Bruin and nobody took care of Bergeron who was alone and have a gaping net to shoot.

Leafs actually came out in the second period and pushed back to make Bruins look like Koalas , good to see. Sometimes you have to look at the positive and take a lost as it is: a lost to a good team, doing that Buds has shown they are the same like last year series, pushing back and building their pride and confidence as a team. Growing pain!

Having said that, next game against Boston, I bet you RC WILL PUT Bernier in net and have a different result, watch for it on Jan 14.

There was a time not that very long ago that Leaf goalies were in the 30th position in GAA ie 2010 J.S Giguere 26th and Monster 35th .... Now we wake up this morning and we have two goalies in top 5 ... Hey how about Martin Brodeur eh ... The start of the season was all about how he is washed up but now in last 4 games he has only allowed 2 goals ( two shutouts )

 

[sasemohan123]

There was a time not that very long ago that Leaf goalies were in the 30th position in GAA ie 2010 J.S Giguere 26th and Monster 35th .... Now we wake up this morning and we have two goalies in top 5 ... Hey how about Martin Brodeur eh ... The start of the season was all about how he is washed up but now in last 4 games he has only allowed 2 goals ( two shutouts )

With all due respect, I hardly pay any attention to the stats, maybe I'm dumber than should be... To me, ANY STATS has limited meaning:

- Goals against? What is the defense part in any goalie's GAA? For a team playing grab and hook hockey, bottling the neutral zone to a stand still... like NJ, goalies would have a better GAA. Outstanding goalies playing for a team that has leaky defense likely have worse GAA than they should, same goes for SO games.

- Goal scorer needs the support to have the puck to shoot: a passer, a screen, a lucky bounce, or a goalie on his back on the ice like Bergeron last game. What if Kessel is playing on a line with the like of Crosby? His numbers would be mind boggling heh?

- Plus/minus? Being on the ice when a goal is scored for/against means squat to me, if they really want to judge a skater for his effectiveness they should be able to see if the skater has any part in the goal for/against and give him a +/- but that would be way to much work for the stats keepers hahaha...

Pretty much the same opinion on ALL the numbers, as it is a TEAM game we are talking about.

In short, I do not believe in simple numbers, just as I do not believe in the early standing either.

 

[Bargnani_]

With all due respect, I hardly pay any attention to the stats, maybe I'm dumber than should be... To me, ANY STATS has limited meaning:

- Goals against? What is the defense part in any goalie's GAA? For a team playing grab and hook hockey, bottling the neutral zone to a stand still... like NJ, goalies would have a better GAA. Outstanding goalies playing for a team that has leaky defense likely have worse GAA than they should, same goes for SO games.

- Goal scorer needs the support to have the puck to shoot: a passer, a screen, a lucky bounce, or a goalie on his back on the ice like Bergeron last game. What if Kessel is playing on a line with the like of Crosby? His numbers would be mind boggling heh?

- Plus/minus? Being on the ice when a goal is scored for/against means squat to me, if they really want to judge a skater for his effectiveness they should be able to see if the skater has any part in the goal for/against and give him a +/- but that would be way to much work for the stats keepers hahaha...

Pretty much the same opinion on ALL the numbers, as it is a TEAM game we are talking about.

In short, I do not believe in simple numbers, just as I do not believe in the early standing either.

Really ? When Leaf goalies had GAA in the 30th position we were lottery position and this year where are we ... Two goalies playing great means this team will avoid an extending losing streak which in previous years led to their downfall ..

 

[shack]

Then you tell us why the Leafs always lose the Bruins, why most goals against Riemer are plays in front of the crease where Reimer does not control the puck. This has been going on for 2 years now how the Bruins score against the Leafs.

For sure it's Reimer's fault that the Leafs scored all of one goal on Saturday. How many teams and how often are teams going to win by scoring 1 goal. Please answer that.

Notice how Riemer always beats the Montreal Canadians, and the Ottawa Senators because those teams have smaller forwards, and the Leafs defense are able to clear the puck from the rebounds Riemer gives up.

You make it sound like A) it's Reimer's fault that the Leafs D can't control the Bruins forwards like they do with other teams and B) he is not allowed to give up any rebounds to the Bruins. Surprise, every goalie in the league gives up rebounds and clearing rebounds is part of the job description for the defence.

 

[Ironhead]

I will not hang this loss on Reimer(I though he was very good), or any individual Leaf player.
Fraser needs to get his legs back. I see improvement in Ranger, so glad they are sticking with him.
After watching both games over the weekend I am much happier with the way the Leafs played the Bruins then the win over NJD.
I cannot disagree with most of the calls against the Leafs, but how does Chara get away with so much.
What is with that Peverley bitch slewfooting guys ?

Colton Orr hurting, Fraser just back in line up, two important centers out of Leaf line up ... I thought the Leafs did well.

It is not fair to blame the lost on Rheimer, ...

Is there a reason you always put and 'h' in Reimer's name ?

 

[sasemohan123]

Is there a reason you always put and 'h' in Reimer's name ?

Thanks for the correction, must be my Ingerish or his difficult name . No Cardinal sin anyway, you think?

 

[bullitt]

they could let orr sit the next 40 games, they wouldn,t mis him, fraser like I said before, I can,t see the hype. on another note, beauty goal by lupul on tukka. he looked like CAM NEELY.