When you finish 5th last in the league, a lot is broken on your team and fixing goaltending will help but isn't the cure to all that is wrong with this franchise . This team is headed in the same direction if their two core pieces are Kessel and Phaneuf . I am not disputing or crapping on their talent but core pieces are often leadership pieces and if these two are the leaders of a team this team is in big trouble .
Toronto Maple Leafs 2011/12
- Thread starter Ironhead
- Start date
Unless you are suggesting that the Leafs should not try and improve the goaltending I am not sure why you insist on stating this point over and over and over again.
Is it because you feel we did not understand you the first half dozen times you said the defense is a problem? We get it already. In either case, unless you have something new to add, STFU already.
They have over hauled the whole defense corp since Burke arrived and the results are the same ie dead last in league in GAA . The defenseman that have come here were adequate to good before they got here but came here from organizations who had goalies like
Price, Halak , Miikka Kiprusoff , Hiller , Rinne etc
You know, you really don't need to take it out on me publicly. If you don't agree with what I have, you can just say it.
I stick with what I think its wrong with this leafs team. I have pull stats to back it.
Although I have nothing new to say, is because you guyz are arguing the same point over and over again regarding the goalie situation.
One final time, if you guyz think goalie is the cure to leafs disease, I understand ok.
I am officially done with this non-sense thread.
At the start, I would say it could be the defensive system. We change coaches already from Ron Wilson to Randy Carlyle. So if that doesn't work, is it still on the coach defensive system?
Where would the next blame goes to?
Your talking to Leaf Fans what do you expect ? They all have the blue and white disease and I think it comes from drinking the MLSE cool Aid . They are 5th last in the league & all think a couple of tweeks and they will make the playoffs next year
Good points Kat. The 5 year plan should have happened when Burkie first arrived. Kessel is all right, but keeping your picks would have been better. The pissing match between him and Murray, when they drafted Kadri, Ottawa wanted him and I wonder who Burkie wanted from Ottawa at that time, they could have picked better there. Burke is trying to show all he can go to the US colleges and pull out great talent, it hasn't worked. There is a decent team here, but a big number one center is key. A couple of big wingers would be nice. Balance out three lines and a good physical 4th line who won't cost you games.
The need for a number 1 D man is important too, but balance here as well.
A goalie is a priority as well, Gusto might work out, who knows, but a number one goalie and a back-up. No more of this platoon system with their goalies. You need a number one guy who gets into that frame of mind.
The need for a number 1 D man is important too, but balance here as well.
A goalie is a priority as well, Gusto might work out, who knows, but a number one goalie and a back-up. No more of this platoon system with their goalies. You need a number one guy who gets into that frame of mind.
You are forgetting I am a leafs fan too. I have seen this team long enough. This team has already have too many chances, Burke already given more than enough time to improve this roster. How many more years do you want to give him?
Not sure if this was posted before or not. When this is happening, you know it's bad in leafs nation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH8fi9zK7UA
Hi Kathleen! Our #1 center has been signed by yours truly Brian BurkeGet a number one goalie, a big centre and the team will be fine. ( This is your cue to say 'I rest my case'..lol )
Honestly, I'd have suggested nothing but tweeks back around the all star break. The spiral from that point until the last game of the season shows there is no easy fix. That a '5 year' plan is no longer a blip on the radar. Toronto has two options
1) Blow it all up from top to bottom - GM to Players and try for a 2-3 yr plan
2 ) Buy & relocate the Peds in the off season. Myself, I'd rather the latter. Heck, its one way to sign Suter.
, Mikhail Grabovski. Burke if I am not mistaken has control of this team since 2008. So it's been like 4 years already.I was one of the guys that hope Balsillie was successful in buying the Coyotes and relocating it to Hamilton.
And unfortunately for us, we won't be able to sign an elite goalie unless via trade.
The nice thing about the Leafs blowing chunks these past few years is that my Saturday evenings are usually free...
I don't think you'll see the Coyotes in the Hammer, they are destined for Q.C. or Seattle, if anywhere other than the desert.
Ideally, it be good to have a #1 goalie. Platoon can be done too, as we have a prime example with Halak and Elliot.
But ya, I too want to get some defensive forwards, a few bigs that can play on the checking line, and at least 2-3 defensive specialist on D. If only we can get a defencemen similar to chara, that be wicked.
Charles, I would like more of a Lundqvist, Thomas or Fleury and a solid back up.
Defensive forwards would be nice, big skilled guys not afraid to go into the corners and come out with the puck. A good defensive is an active forecheck.
D men who play good solid D. That's all I ask.
Defensive forwards would be nice, big skilled guys not afraid to go into the corners and come out with the puck. A good defensive is an active forecheck.
D men who play good solid D. That's all I ask.
I agree. But Tim Thomas is kinda old, so I don't think that be an ideal plan. Maybe if the Kings decide that Jon Quick is their guy, we can try to trade for Bernier, a solid nice young goaltending prospect. You also have to remember we gotta financially support the goalie with our salary cap budget.
But if we just want a solid goalie like everyone's been talking about, we can try to trade for Kipper.
As you can see why I been talking what I did earlier. Having an elite goalie doesn't always resolve the team's problem. Anyways, thats all I am going to elaborate. Both Calgary and Montreal didn't make the playoffs with Price and Kipper who are both tremendous goalies.
That goes for you too Ironhead, I was calling out all those Leafs Fans that counted their chickens before the eggs are hatched and you somehow felt specifically pointed at and started with the personal insults. I would say that you are taking this more seriously and personally than I am.
Besides LesHabitants, which I find annoying myself, I did not see much taunts from HABS fan(I'm not claiming there wasn't). You even pointed out that we did not say much. What I did notice is taunts by the leafs when they were in the playoffs and taunts when they were out of the playoffs(coz they thought that somehow they'll recover). The score updates and taunt SOMEHOW stopped around the same period that it was brutally obvious that the Leafs are a weak team and that they will not make the playoff. Some Leafs fans made all these foolish predictions so now I'm throwing back their words at them(with some sarcasm).
Are you a kid? You sound like a kid that does poorly in school, feels that he'll do better so taunts a fellow student doing poorly. When the kid eventually fails miserably, he expects everyone to not say anything.
Ironhead, I may use some sarcasm here and there but I have never resort to personnel insults unless it was a response to a personnel insult. In the end, it's just sticks an stones. However, you seem like a choleric person coz personal attacks are the first thing you resort to.
We do not clash often but I remember some of the times. For instance, there was a comment that I made a long time ago about JS Giguere. I was pointing out, to another terb member, that him winning a Stanley Cup for another team means nothing to his current team if he does not do well for his current team. You somehow misconstrued my words and replied "What the fuck kind of fucked up drug induced trip are you on you idiotic Green Muppet ?" Yet, in the end, I was right and he did nothing for the Leafs.
Hence, being incline to personal insults, look yourself in a mirrow before telling people not to take things in a forum too seriously....
Get a number one goalie, a big centre and the team will be fine. ( This is your cue to say 'I rest my case'..lol )
Honestly, I'd have suggested nothing but tweeks back around the all star break. The spiral from that point until the last game of the season shows there is no easy fix. That a '5 year' plan is no longer a blip on the radar. Toronto has two options
1) Blow it all up from top to bottom - GM to Players and try for a 2-3 yr plan
2 ) Buy & relocate the Peds in the off season. Myself, I'd rather the latter. Heck, its one way to sign Suter.
Getting a number one goalie and a number one centre has been Burke's objective since day one and he has failed on both fronts .
Something happened in that dressing room which caused this disaster to happen . It's Burke objective to find out what happened . Some people off the record are saying the crap Dion had in Calgary has been brought to the Leaf dressing room . My opinion is a segment of the dressing room hated Wilson but Dion was Wilson's favorite and Schenn couldn't stand the coach . Who was touted to be the next Captain before Dion ? . Schenn .. And that is where the divide may have occured
Last edited:
The Laugh's last 17 games ......... pfffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttt ........ that's the sound of air coming out of a balloon ..................... hehehe ....lol.
“I'm a limousine ridin', jet flyin', kiss stealin', wheelin' dealin' son of a gun. WOOOO!!”
Ricflair
“I'm a limousine ridin', jet flyin', kiss stealin', wheelin' dealin' son of a gun. WOOOO!!”
Ricflair
You're correct in saying that Burke has failed thus far. A number one goalie is a priority, but then again they have other areas that need to be addressed that are priorities as well.
As far as the dressing room, I'll take your word for it. It seems plausible because of the way the Calgary dispatched Phaneuf, when he was a part of their future at one time.
lol
I really said "drug induced" ? LOL @ myself. The rest of the quote does sound like me, I kind of remember it.
Can you bring up the post ? I do not doubt you, I just need a giggle today.
