Toronto Maple Leafs 2011/12

[Ironhead]

Why does this team "desperately need" a "true number one center"? They're third in the conference in scoring without one.
How is Brassard "a true number one center"? He may develop into one, but he's a long way from Getzlaf, at this point.

IMO, adding Getzlaf doesn't get them by Boston, say, in the playoffs, unless they were gonna get there without him - it will come down to goaltending, with this team. I know you can say that about pretty much anyone, but the Leafs seem to be particularly volatile in the crease - can Reimer be a "true number one"? Can Gustavsson?? That seems to me to be the first question this team has to answer, and the issue still looks very much in doubt. If the answer is "no", Getzlaf won't help. If it's "yes", how much does adding a Getzlaf cost?

Why does the team need a number one center ? You cannot be serious.

Is this guy serious ?

Surely you jest.




The Leafs need a number one playmaking center to play with Kessel.
They need a number one center because if they do not have one, they are never going to get anywhere.

Does adding Getzlaf get the Leafs past the first round ? Well without Getzlaf, or some other big center, the Leafs definitely do not advance or it is a whole lot more difficult without then it would with the number center.
As well as they have played without a true number center, they would be that much better with that center. With that center, they would likely be higher in the standings now. Maybe at the end of the season they would be sixth and get the weak sister division winner of Washington or Florida.

They need a number one center because they would be that much better.
I truly believe that if a center like Getzlaf was playing at least his fourth or fifth game with the Leafs, they would have won last night ... and not by just one goal.

Big, true, number one center means ...
Blue will roll !

 

[Ironhead]

"The Leafs need a number one playmaking center to play with Kessel."
Really? Kessel seems to be doing just fine without one, apparently. How good do you think he is? You're saying that if he played with Getzlaf, he'd have BY FAR the most points in the league?

"Well without Getzlaf, or some other big center, the Leafs definitely do not advance or it is a whole lot more difficult without then it would with the number center."
It will be somewhat more difficult to advance if they do not improve the team between now and the trade deadline. THAT I agree with. And that they'd be higher in the standings if they had a better team. (!) Does that addition have to be a "number one center"? Again, no evidence to support that, although if you think that's what they're lacking most, then they'd be best off addressing that need.

"I truly believe that if a center like Getzlaf was playing at least his fourth or fifth game with the Leafs, they would have won last night ... and not by just one goal."
Really? You believe that Getzlaf adds at least THREE GOALS PER GAME to the Leafs? Wow. Then by all means, they should do the deal, and trade ANYONE to do it. Is this guy serious? Surely you jest.

lol
Alright, it appears this exchange is going nowhere fast.

Just want to clear up one detail. I never said, nor indicated, that Kessel would be leading the league in points.
He would have a lot more, I believe, maybe even being in the goals scored stat.





Edit;

Upon futher review.
Yes, maybe Kessel would be leading the league in points. I did not realize he was still so close to the league points leader.

 

[gcostanza]

Blue will roll !

Blue?

Does anyone else in the entire world refer to the Toronto Maple Leafs as Blue?

Seriously?


Give it up.

 

[Ironhead]

Blue will take on the Flyers tonight in Philly, then home for a Saturday night game with Montreal.
Next week Blue will take a western road trip to visit the other West Canada teams.
Reimer will start in goal tonight for Blue who will likely be wearing their road whites.

The Leafs maintain their hold on seventh, while holding two games in hand on eighth place Ottawa.




Go Blue !

 

[gcostanza]

Blue will take on the Flyers tonight in Philly, then home for a Saturday night game with Montreal.
Next week Blue will take a western road trip to visit the other West Canada teams.
Reimer will start in goal tonight for Blue who will likely be wearing their road whites.

The Leafs maintain their hold on seventh, while holding two games in hand on eighth place Ottawa.




Go Blue !

The St. Louis Blues?

Or the Columbus Blue Jackets?

 

[gcostanza]

Right, so under your scenario, he'd be WAY AHEAD in the scoring race. Look at the NHL stats this season. Look waaaaay up. See Kessel, right near the top? That's WITHOUT a "number one center", whatever the fuck that is. WITH one, and since you seem to be of the opinion that that player is worth three goals a game, based on your comment regarding the Jets game, Kessel would have, what, another 1.5-2 points per game? So, being conservative, that's another 90 points or so, giving him a whopping 148 points already, more than twice the second-place player (except Getzlaf, in your world, I guess).

May I suggest that you're overestimating the impact of adding a Getzlaf-type player?

Careful Fonzie, he's going to argue with you about this until he's Blue in the face. :crazy:

 

[richaceg]

"The Leafs need a number one playmaking center to play with Kessel."
Really? Kessel seems to be doing just fine without one, apparently. How good do you think he is? You're saying that if he played with Getzlaf, he'd have BY FAR the most points in the league?

"Well without Getzlaf, or some other big center, the Leafs definitely do not advance or it is a whole lot more difficult without then it would with the number center."
It will be somewhat more difficult to advance if they do not improve the team between now and the trade deadline. THAT I agree with. And that they'd be higher in the standings if they had a better team. (!) Does that addition have to be a "number one center"? Again, no evidence to support that, although if you think that's what they're lacking most, then they'd be best off addressing that need.

"I truly believe that if a center like Getzlaf was playing at least his fourth or fifth game with the Leafs, they would have won last night ... and not by just one goal."
Really? You believe that Getzlaf adds at least THREE GOALS PER GAME to the Leafs? Wow. Then by all means, they should do the deal, and trade ANYONE to do it. Is this guy serious? Surely you jest.

Adding a Getzlaf to Kessel's line will give positive results. It may seem that Kessel can do without but like everyone here knows. He's streaky and once he's on a slump. Somebody has to put him back up. They do need a good centre.

 

[Polaris]

Grabovski and Kessel do not play on the same line because of one reason. Both are puck hogs. Once one of them gets the puck, the other guy will not see it again on that shift.

Watching tonight's game, it was a sloppy effort by both sides.

I have had enough! The Leafs and Flyers, are the same almost. Two teams with potential, but ultimately going nowhere this season. The Flyers are just a better version of a team going nowhere compared to the Leafs.

Two straight games where Winnipeg and Philadelphia did the same thing to Toronto. Play the whole game along the boards! Winnipeg and Philly, when they back check, their center skates right down the middle of the ice. Since the Leafs like to rush the puck, the Leafs rush gravitates to the boards. Kessel for example would gain the zone near the boards, but since both defense-men are back, Kessel can't beat them wide and has nowhere to go with the puck. Naturally the play breaks down. Garbovski tried and tried again to rush the puck up the middle, without any success whatsoever. Lupal is a forward who is very good along the boards. Cannot say the same about quite a few of his teammates.

The worst thing about the Leafs first line as constructed now. Once they lose the puck in the offensive zone, the other team breaks out too easily. Then the Leafs defense get fore-checked.

I've seen enough. The two teams from the East, they will be Boston and New York Rangers in the semi-final. In the West, Detroit and Vancouver, and a dark horse in St. Louis. They are still on that roll after firing their coach. At this point in the season that's no fluke. They got some good goal-tending too. These teams will be in the finals playing for the Stanley Cup in May/June.

 

[Ironhead]

Blue?

Does anyone else in the entire world refer to the Toronto Maple Leafs as Blue?

Seriously?


Give it up.

The St. Louis Blues?

Or the Columbus Blue Jackets?

Why confused ? Just look at your first message.
How did you get confused in under two hours ?

Right, so under your scenario, he'd be WAY AHEAD in the scoring race. Look at the NHL stats this season. Look waaaaay up. See Kessel, right near the top? That's WITHOUT a "number one center", whatever the fuck that is. WITH one, and since you seem to be of the opinion that that player is worth three goals a game, based on your comment regarding the Jets game, Kessel would have, what, another 1.5-2 points per game? So, being conservative, that's another 90 points or so, giving him a whopping 148 points already, more than twice the second-place player (except Getzlaf, in your world, I guess).

May I suggest that you're overestimating the impact of adding a Getzlaf-type player?

Yeah, there's probably no point. Anyone drawing comparisons between the current Leafs and the 80's Oilers is pretty delusional.

Anyway, for anyone who cares, here's how REALITY works: if your team is good at one thing, and bad at another, you get more value from trying to improve the thing your bad at than the thing you're good at. 100% of GMs understand this, and most fans, too, thankfully.

Grabovski and Kessel do not play on the same line because of one reason. Both are puck hogs. Once one of them gets the puck, the other guy will not see it again on that shift.

Watching tonight's game, it was a sloppy effort by both sides.

I have had enough! The Leafs and Flyers, are the same almost. Two teams with potential, but ultimately going nowhere this season. The Flyers are just a better version of a team going nowhere compared to the Leafs.

Two straight games where Winnipeg and Philadelphia did the same thing to Toronto. Play the whole game along the boards! Winnipeg and Philly, when they back check, their center skates right down the middle of the ice. Since the Leafs like to rush the puck, the Leafs rush gravitates to the boards. Kessel for example would gain the zone near the boards, but since both defense-men are back, Kessel can't beat them wide and has nowhere to go with the puck. Naturally the play breaks down. Garbovski tried and tried again to rush the puck up the middle, without any success whatsoever. Lupal is a forward who is very good along the boards. Cannot say the same about quite a few of his teammates.

The worst thing about the Leafs first line as constructed now. Once they lose the puck in the offensive zone, the other team breaks out too easily. Then the Leafs defense get fore-checked.

I've seen enough. The two teams from the East, they will be Boston and New York Rangers in the semi-final. In the West, Detroit and Vancouver, and a dark horse in St. Louis. They are still on that roll after firing their coach. At this point in the season that's no fluke. They got some good goal-tending too. These teams will be in the finals playing for the Stanley Cup in May/June.

Gee Fonz. You are correct. You are waaaay too fast for me.


Oh yeah .... EEEhhhhhhhhhh :thumb:

 

[Ironhead]

I was worried the Leafs would be blown out. That said, a loss is a loss and in regulation so not even a stupid point for losing in OT. Difficult to watch these last two games, losing by one goal.
Reimer was OK, not sharp.
Kessel continues to show that he more then a sniper, two more assists.

Montreal in the ACC on Saturday night, HNIC's Hockey Day.
It will be Mats Sundin night. I do not like these pregame ceremonies. I hope the players do not have to stand around too long.

 

[The Oracle]

Oh no not again,lol.

Dion looked like a pylon out there on the Eller goal.

Well Leaf fans what say you?

 

[The Oracle]

You're dead on with regards to that goal. I just watched in disbelief. Its been very hard watching the last three games, and seeing zero points respectively.

Toronto remains in 8th, which is a lot better then being 10pts out and back to counting 'how many losses' before officially out like most seasons. I'll remain positive, but worried none the less.

Burke feels Toronto has two number #1 goalies. I'd disagree. A true #1 and Ron Wilson would not flip flop back and forth. Why Gus never started tonight after sitting out Philly I don't know.
The other concern is being such a young club, often every player seems to try and win the game single handed. Kessel, Grabs and Gardiner being among the most obvious. The team in crisis times seems to lack
true leadership seen by other Captians such as Iginla.

I do hope the western swing coming up is kinder.

Kathleen it's good to see you back on here supporting your favourite team.

I'm guessing the Darcy Tucker jersey is history,lol.

Burke was just fuming in the private boxes as shown at the end of the game.

After tonight's game I highly doubt that he will stand pat at the trade deadline.

Further more Connolly has only 3 points in his last 16 games. Yikes!

 

[Rockslinger]

At least Scott Gomez didn't score. That would have added insult to injury. Why can't Schenn hang on to the puck? It was on his stick and he gave it away.

 

[thuggoe]

“Tonight was a big night for Sundin and I was really honored to be a part of that,” Price said. “But I didn’t want to win it any more or any less just because it was a retirement party.”

 

[Ironhead]

Well ... that was fun.

 

[Ironhead]

Even though the Leafs are nowhere near a Cup contender, I believe it is crucial the Leafs make the playoffs this season, if for no other reason then the long suffering fans of Big Blue(as referred to by the FAN on air guys on Thursday). :thumb:

Barely hanging onto eighth.



Burke, go out and get that number one centre the team desperately needs.

 

[bullitt]

now in goal for toronto wearing #30, bruce gamble.

 

[Ironhead]

The West coast swing.
Tuesday in Calgary, Wednesday Edmonton and next Saturday night in Vancouver in the prime time slot.

 

[The Oracle]

Toronto just does not have enough to offer Carolina to move someone of that talent.

Exactly, everybody is talking about packaging Kadri, Schenn and Colborne.

But the fact is that both Kadri and Schenn have under achieved thus far in their careers and other teams are well aware of this.

Best thing for Burke to do in my opinion is to stand pat and try to develop from within while adding free agents along the way.

Of course free agents are a big gamble as well, just look at Brad Richards. He's not exactly lighting it up in the big apple is he now.

 

[splooge]

on twitter there is alot of buzz about Burke proposing a deal for Dustin Penner.