Toronto in another lockdown. Are agencies in Toronto closing?

[shack]

I don't disagree with you at all. The pandemic is actually pointing to a decades long crisis in public health and in particular hospital capacity. We don't have anywhere near enough hospital capacity

Agree about capacity being an issue, but are we supposed to overequip and overstaff and overfund a health care system requiring overtaxing for 100 years for something i.e., a pandemic, that stretches our resources for 1 or 2 years? Not saying that I have the answer but that is the logistical dilemma.

 

[lenny2]

The masks most people are currently wearing dont even provide limited protection

Nonsense.

 

[shack]

It's not that the masks are useless. They provide limited protection in certain circumstances. They were never intended as a real safeguard in very crowded environments.

Semantics, but I'd say masks indeed are a real safeguard, but they are not a complete safeguard unto themselves.

 

[shack]

The masks most people are currently wearing dont even provide limited protection

Baloney. Unless, of course, the masks are made from fishnet stockings. Different barriers will provide different levels of protection but any reasonable barrier has to trap at least some of the virus.

 

[doggystyle99]

Stupid response. As per usual, you are all insults and zero substance.

But then thats why so many people dont like you and have you on ignore

Reality is you are continuously wrong and you keep contradicting your own posts by making up false assertions and unproven theories. The countless number of times you come of with a theory that has absolutely zero substance and opposite to any of the known facts speaks volumes to your understanding and views on the Coronavirus.
Everything from herd immunity, masks, shutdowns, second waves or the common knowledge of the Coronavirus you've been wrong about.
Making statement such as below are just ignorant and irrational statements to make specially 11 months into a pandemic.

Current masks people are wearing are uselesss, and thats how new cases exploded again

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Reality is you are continuously wrong and you keep contradicting your own posts by making up false assertions and unproven theories. The countless number of times you come of with a theory that has absolutely zero substance and opposite to any of the known facts speaks volumes to your understanding and views on the Coronavirus.
Everything from herd immunity, masks, shutdowns, second waves or the common knowledge of the Coronavirus you've been wrong about.
Making statement such as below are just ignorant and irrational statements to make specially 11 months into a pandemic.

Nah, masks havent made a dent in new infections and you know it.
Problem is you hate admitting that I'm right.

Sucks ot be you I guess

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I know you posted about the Danish study whose authors have publicly stated that in spite of what the anti-mask crowd is claiming they didn't say masks were useless and that their report has been taken out of context by anti-maskers. I'm not going to bother debating it further. Enough people I know personally who I would consider to be both experts and at least acquaintances through work and in a few cases friends believe strongly in wearing masks. I don't have the expertise to debate the subject with them and since I trust them I believe them.

Ontario mandated masks in mid July. Do you think its helped curb new cases so far??

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Baloney. Unless, of course, the masks are made from fishnet stockings. Different barriers will provide different levels of protection but any reasonable barrier has to trap at least some of the virus

Not if the virus is airborne (which it is).
Air can easily escape around masks and infect entire buses, streetcars and subways

 

[doggystyle99]

My point is that the powers that be has always known about the limitations of our healthcare system. After all, that was the major talking point for the last 40 years. The "hallway medicine", the outrageous wait times, the full ERs, the shortage of long term beds are not a news to any Ontarian. What makes me so very angry, is that they went into the shutdown knowing full well about it. The argument that the shutdown was to prevent the overloading just holds no water. Firstly because of the expected second wave and, most importantly, if a 500 cases can stress the system, you have to look to the emergency expansion of capabilities to address that. There are a lot(!) of people making fun of Trump about his handling of Covid. But, when New York wanted more capacity, they got it with in a week, including the portable hospitals and extra equipment. I won't even say anything about the vaccine development and approvals lest the tds crowd has a stroke- Covid is bad enough. But, our side made no move to look at other options, instead they castrated the private sector. And I think that they went that way because it was easier for the government bureaucracy.

Like I've said numerous times you are so uninformed yet it doesn't stop you from making the most ridiculous post opposite to facts ever.
Ontario did expand the hospital capabilities after the first wave hit, they increased hospital beds drastically, it's well documented but for some reason facts like these or unknwon to you. Doug Ford as of last month still had over $1B from federal funding provided by Justin Trudeau put aside as a source for extreme emergency need during the second wave and he had spent the remainder of the federal funding provided by Justin Trudeau.

 

[dracula14]

There is logical reason! for them to close. I could use a great blow job! it will cure my covid! lol a virus that kill less then the flu! talk about overreacting!

 

[doggystyle99]

Masks have kept the infections & death numbers down, but sadly they're not a cure all that can kill the vampiric murdering of covidiocy. When the pathogen killing masks that kill the flu, C-19, pneumonia, etc, come out we'll be closer to that & can name them the "silver bullet" masks ;

There's no need for lockdowns to be different. We already know they work. It's the idiots out there that are the variable as to whether or not we'll keep doing this over & over gain.

For some reason a few of these posters get dumbfounded if one wears a mask yet still catches COVID. They actually 11 months into a pandemic have not yet understood even the best of masks are not 100% effective yet they think that somehow proves masks do not work. It's truly mind boggling

 

[dracula14]

Not if the virus is airborne (which it is).
Air can easily escape around masks and infect entire buses, streetcars and subways

yes 100 percent true, but then the ful would be a plague! but ist not! if you take care of your self! by doing detox! as for covid 19 that look identical to hiv! under a microscope! and in all the tv pics! but yet on any medical website they can firmly state with truth! they still have not identified Covid 19! wird how they can have a vaccine already!

 

[dracula14]

You’ll have to give up hobbying, cause from the look of it, SW’s are business as usual.

I think he be doing a real solid by not! That way booking for me and other normal ppl! dont have to wait lol

 

[doggystyle99]

For the most part, I can't argue with that. But we still hear, on an almost daily basis, of people throwing parties, holiday or religious gatherings and when bars were open until this week, people who don't take the proper precautions and in tight quarters. When people were more cautious and were not suffering covid fatigue, we had daily cases in Toronto below double digits. That is when people started letting their guard down. And now we don't have the benefit of being able to congregate outdoors.

When we have a subsection of our population who lack any understanding of the Coronavirus who although a very small % of the population yet still a significant portion thinking masks do not offer any protection, social distancing does not work, and neither do shutdowns, then having these selfish COVIDIOTS going out to bars/restaurants or having parties on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and sometimes with different groups and large groups then going to spend time with family on Sunday it's a sure way to guarantee confirmed cases and rate of transmission increases.

 

[dracula14]

My point is that the powers that be has always known about the limitations of our healthcare system. After all, that was the major talking point for the last 40 years. The "hallway medicine", the outrageous wait times, the full ERs, the shortage of long term beds are not a news to any Ontarian. What makes me so very angry, is that they went into the shutdown knowing full well about it. The argument that the shutdown was to prevent the overloading just holds no water. Firstly because of the expected second wave and, most importantly, if a 500 cases can stress the system, you have to look to the emergency expansion of capabilities to address that. There are a lot(!) of people making fun of Trump about his handling of Covid. But, when New York wanted more capacity, they got it with in a week, including the portable hospitals and extra equipment. I won't even say anything about the vaccine development and approvals lest the tds crowd has a stroke- Covid is bad enough. But, our side made no move to look at other options, instead they castrated the private sector. And I think that they went that way because it was easier for the government bureaucracy.

the death toll is 0.001 like are you ok! dude crisis of a decade long! stop with the crack bro! i dont wear a mask! i fuck random women , i work everyday! i have not changed my life one bit because of this hoax. I am stll alive! everyone i know is still alive! i know 80 yr old that are still going around life as normal! and nothing! what happend to all those death in italy and all the Breathing machines?? oh teah! Carla Cunhal minister in italy ! blow the lid on that one showing the real number... dude stop eating propaganda! and spreading it! your the virus

 

[TeeJay]

When we have a subsection of our population who lack any understanding of the Coronavirus who although a very small % of the population yet still a significant portion thinking masks do not offer any protection, social distancing does not work, and neither do shutdowns, then having these selfish COVIDIOTS going out to bars/restaurants or having parties on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and sometimes with different groups and large groups then going to spend time with family on Sunday it's a sure way to guarantee confirmed cases and rate of transmission increases.

And yet despite a crowd of over two thousand traveling across province (and in some cases such as Chris Sky group internationally) not one of them has ever been "taken out" by the flu (I mean Covid)

Its funny how life works aint it

Large gatherings
No masks
No Covid
Hmm

 

[shack]

Not if the virus is airborne (which it is).
Air can easily escape around masks and infect entire buses, streetcars and subways

So you are saying that every single virus makes its' way through the pores and not one single one gets caught up in the fabric.

That likelihood is somewhere from implausible to impossible. It defies logic.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So you are saying that every single virus makes its' way through the pores and not one single one gets caught up in the fabric.

That likelihood is somewhere from implausible to impossible. It defies logic.

The problem is you only need microscopic amounts to infect you. So lets say you sneeze and most of it gets caught in the mask. Whatever the mask didnt catch is still more than enough to infect people around you

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

@shack

Read this: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/14/how-much-of-the-coronavirus-does-it-take-to-make-you-sick/

How much of the coronavirus does it take to make you sick? The science, explained

nfectious respiratory diseases spread when a healthy person comes in contact with virus particles expelled by someone who is sick — usually through a cough or sneeze. The amount of particles a person is exposed to can affect how likely they are to become infected and, once infected, how severe the symptoms become.

The amount of virus necessary to make a person sick is called the infectious dose. Viruses with low infectious doses are especially contagious in populations without significant immunity.

The minimum infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is unknown so far, but researchers suspect it is low. “The virus is spread through very, very casual interpersonal contact,” W. David Hardy, a professor of infectious disease at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, told STAT

 

[shack]

The problem is you only need microscopic amounts to infect you. So lets say you sneeze and most of it gets caught in the mask. Whatever the mask didnt catch is still more than enough to infect people around you

So if 10K microbes get released into the air vs.1K, the same number of people will get exposed even though there will be a lower concentration of the virus. Riiight.

Does the virus have a heat seeking mechanism so it can seek out and not miss any living organisms? Hey guys, I think see someone to the left. Let's go get him.

BTW, do you actually know how many of the microbes it takes to infect someone? I am not sure where you got that first line from. Did you make it up because this quote is from your article: The minimum infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is unknown so far.

Does it matter where they land on that person? I suspect if more virus gets expelled there is a better chance that it will land on the face than on the feet. Less virus means that there is less chance that it will land on the face unless, once again, the virus has a homing mechanism that directs it to the face.

Short story, as long as the mask stops some of the virus from getting in the air, there will be less virus and a lower concentration of virus being expelled. Just like it was (as you said) common sense that should have made Dr. Tam to recommend masks immediately, it is common sense that less virus at a lower concentration will result in a lower chance of infection transmission.