Toronto Garbage Strike Poll......
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Given that you only supplied two choices, I am forced to pick the city as I definitely do not support the union. However, the city could have prevented the whole thing by just contracting out garbage collection years ago (the other municipal workers might still be on strike but few would miss the rest of them). In addition, I think unions tend to be harder to deal with when you have an NDP government (Miller has officially left the NDP but I think that was only for public relation reasons). Like all economic agents, unions have limited resources. It only makes sense that they would be more likely to use those limited resources when they expect there to be less resistance (and hence, a greater return on those resources). I am voting “city” but I definitely don’t support the way they have handled this.
You should have given a third choice, neither. The city has made its share of mistakes. the best choice is still I back the city, no need to explain why. Just read my posts.
One faction of the general puiblic that is really being affected is the students who aren't working and need the money for next year schooling. I don't know what else to say. I'd be interested to now how many picketers have college kids.
One faction of the general puiblic that is really being affected is the students who aren't working and need the money for next year schooling. I don't know what else to say. I'd be interested to now how many picketers have college kids.
I believe that the mayor is purposely screwing the dog here. By not reaching a negotiated settlement eventually the province will legislate the workers back. Arbitration will give the workers all they want (which is what the mayor wants). Miller then will raise taxes over this issue and blame the province for it.
On a side note, i was talking to a friend who was visiting a local cemetary where he saw garbage dumped on the property.
On a side note, i was talking to a friend who was visiting a local cemetary where he saw garbage dumped on the property.
I think the mayor is delaying so that he can use this extra money to pay for his streetcar deal he just signed
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The problem is some dipshit previous mayor signed a contract with the union that states they can't do this. It used to be that if they did, they had to pay union rates to whomever they contracted out to. Not any more.
If I was the mayor/city I'd say to the union: you're out then deal with the fallout. Someone has to break the strangle hold unions have over this city.
blackrock13 said:
There is a 400 name petition from the students to end the strike. Unemployed college kids have been coerced onto the picket line so they can collect $40 strike pay.
Let me also complain about only two choices, as if this was as trivial as some sports match. It isn't it's about our taxes—homeless guys at minimum wage would be cheaper, or convict labour, it's about the bargaining process—striking's part of that, it's about the kind of society and city we want—decent wages and sick protection, or having to work when injured, it's about how you deal honourably with your fellow citizens—not by dumping your trash in parks.
It's about a whole bunch of things that done wrong—like licensing the city to welch on their contracts will make this a worse place to live. Done right, so everyone leaves the table pleased with what they acieved, we have a hope that our city government can get on with their job.
Declined ballot.
It's about a whole bunch of things that done wrong—like licensing the city to welch on their contracts will make this a worse place to live. Done right, so everyone leaves the table pleased with what they acieved, we have a hope that our city government can get on with their job.
Declined ballot.
Any time the city wanted to contract out, they could start the process to do so. There's no magic power that some previous mayor surrendered to that makes it impossible. But, as most things, it also isn't as easy as just waving your wand and saying, "You're out". There's a process, and it takes time.tboy said:
Anytime you want that process to begin, get busy, pick a candidate who shares your opinion and get them elected.
tboy said:
When did this change? Last year I did some work for the city and was told I had to pay my crew at 90% of the union rate. It's news to me.
This very unscientific poll seems to indicate a 5:1 ratio in favour of the city; although only offering 2 choices. It'll be interesting to see the next AR poll.
Cycleguy007
Banned
Blackrock
Is bang on with his 4th and 6th post.
All I can say is I'm glad I live in Tri-city area at this point...
Is bang on with his 4th and 6th post.
All I can say is I'm glad I live in Tri-city area at this point...
blackrock13 said:
Not sure when it changed, a unionista from terb pointed me to the site last year during yet another union is good thread. It basically said that the city had to get authorization from the union before contracting ANY work and basically had to give the union first crack at any work. If the union didn't have enough manpower, the city would have to hire more union workers to complete the work. Or something to that effect.
oldjones said:
problem is there are no candidates that have the balls to go up against any union because they don't care what's best for the city, they care first and foremost about getting and staying elected, and secondly about getting as much $$$ out of the city while they are in power.
The whole problem with the city council and mayor's office is that the people who get those positions are politicians. What we need are BUSINESS men and women who would run the city like a business. With a fixed financial base, limited customer base, have to go and keep their customers happy, and not look at them as a money tree to pluck (insert F instead of pl) whenever they need some more $$$.
The closest thing we had to this was Mayor Mel. IMO he was the closest thing to a non-political mayor as this city had or ever will have.
Rockslinger said:There is a 400 name petition from the students to end the strike. Unemployed college kids have been coerced onto the picket line so they can collect $40 strike pay.
They'd be easy to spot wouldn't they? Their signs might read,' dad needs more money so I can study.'
Our unscientific poll reads 7:1 against union. HMMMMM!
According to to-day's Toronto Sun, the cost of picking up a ton of garbage is:
Toronto $110.98
Pickering $ 97.00
Missisauga $ 92.73
Richmond Hill $ 70.19
Toronto $110.98
Pickering $ 97.00
Missisauga $ 92.73
Richmond Hill $ 70.19
stang said:
Are non-residents allowed to vote? I think the residents of York said the same thing until Miller sicced the unions on them
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