Toronto council votes in favour of Scarborough subway in major victory for Rob Ford
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Hollow victory, where's the money gonna come from?
$1.5 BILLION from the province! Good luck with that.
$1.5 BILLION from the province! Good luck with that.
The Province of Ontario had better start doing something, Toronto is beginning to be talked about as a travel disaster zone. Needless to say if that talk gets louder, that will not be good for business development.
27 councillors across the political spectrum support him.
They are confident.
Go ahead and ask them where the money come from.
You might think Rob Ford is stupid but all councillors were equipped with reliable informations and they debated thoroughly.
The 28-16 vote is a major victory for Mayor Rob Ford who isn't that stupid afterall.
I don't quite understand the question. The money is going to come from the same place that the money for the LRT, and the other transit plans...
Its going to come from taxes, increased fees, and other taxes. Now at least it will be paying for something useful.
It may be a victory for Mayor Ford, but it could be one that comes back to bite him down the road when the bills come in. It seems on the surface that there will be an increased tax liability for all Toronto residents. It will solidfy his political base in Scarb, but makes him vunerable to accusations of vote buying with the rest of Toronto's money.
There are thousands that travel from the east end of town and good for scarborough. But , until i see a boring machine in the ground i dont believe any of them.
Rob Ford vote buying? I disagree.
He always "campaigns" building subway to Scarborough for the last 4 or 5 years.
Subways was one of his major election platform in 2010 and he was democratically elected with a hugh margin.
Yes he is mandated to bring subway to Scarborough and after all his hard work he got it done.
Buying vote for 2014? Yes all those Liberals and NDPs flip flop on this issue just to get a better chance for the election.
Rob Ford has already been laughing all the way to be re-elected.
He also campained on no new taxes. His problem is squaring that circle for the people who have incresed taxes and no benefits from the expanded line.
It don't matter.....
Right, Left, vote buying, flip flopping, Mayoralty hopefuls,
ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!
New York City has over 700 km of subways. That city runs like a clock on subways. It's densely populated and subways are a MUST.
Toronto lags soooooooooooo far behind.....this is a small step of what should be many subway steps.
Right, Left, vote buying, flip flopping, Mayoralty hopefuls,
ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!
New York City has over 700 km of subways. That city runs like a clock on subways. It's densely populated and subways are a MUST.
Toronto lags soooooooooooo far behind.....this is a small step of what should be many subway steps.
Called Progress! All 28 people wil need to square that.....and it's easily done. Progress.
Did anyone listen to CFRB 1010 Talk Radio last night?
They were chastising Ford for not knowing what an LRT is (he may have been playing dumb out of his favour for a subway). The LRT isn't just a streetcar although I'd like to really know what it will look like above ground along Eglinton west of Jane. Will it take up a lane (mind you, the road is really wide in the west end)?
Ford wouldn't utter a tax increase at the meeting although it will result in a tax increase that may be more than what he may have stated in the past. I think a tax increase for a tangible improvement in transportation infrastructure may be palatable for Toronto.
Rob Ford isn't sharp or diplomatic but he knows how to hold on to his guns.
They were chastising Ford for not knowing what an LRT is (he may have been playing dumb out of his favour for a subway). The LRT isn't just a streetcar although I'd like to really know what it will look like above ground along Eglinton west of Jane. Will it take up a lane (mind you, the road is really wide in the west end)?
Ford wouldn't utter a tax increase at the meeting although it will result in a tax increase that may be more than what he may have stated in the past. I think a tax increase for a tangible improvement in transportation infrastructure may be palatable for Toronto.
Rob Ford isn't sharp or diplomatic but he knows how to hold on to his guns.
Big problem with extending subways that are tying into the existing lines is that the existing lines seem already filled to capacity.
Especially without a DTR (that would actually improve the TTCs bottom line).
Yeah, this is a big victory for Ford, even though he had precious little to do with it. It's pretty much the provincial by-election opening the door, plus East end councillors who long wanted subways getting Stintz to walk through that door. To Ford's credit (and it damn near kills me to say it), he may have helped get some new money on the table without nuking existing (more optimal) plans.
I can say, that of all of the wrong subway projects, this one is slightly less wrong. It's replacing the Scarborough RT with a seamless connection, and isn't *directly* burdening the Yonge line all that much more traffic than what it's replacing.
Dedicated LRT with 7 stops would have made more sense than a subway with three stops, IMHO. People that use this extension may be more poorly served by it than the LRT, and it will be less operationally efficient that the LRT, but it shouldn't break the TTC. At best it will take this issue off the table.
The only thing that would make me loose my shit would be if the funding for this comes at the expense of the already approved plans that would move more asses per dollar in areas that really need it. If this clear the way to get the current projects done, and a DTR on the table, 'whatever'.
The biggest losers here are likely to be Stinz and a whack of counsellors, and some provincial liberals, who are going to be beaten with the cudgel they just handed the Fords. Oh, and any poor TTCer who's stuck between one of those 3 subway stops...
TTC added the North York City Centre stop on the Yonge Line years ago so additional stops may be built here too when need arise.
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What would the LRT look like (the choice with 7 stops that Ford doesn't want because he says it's a streetcar)?
So seven stops along the same route instead of 3?
(Take note of Boodog's comment about North York City Centre)
"The decision means the existing RT, which is approaching the end of its working life, will continue to operate beyond the planned 2015 shutdown date until the 7.6-kilometre subway extension is finished in the early 2020s. It also means the 48-month shuttle bus period that would have been necessary with the LRT will also be avoided."
http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/07/scarborough_to_get_a_new_subway_but_only_if_feds_help/
Every councillor who has dreams of becoming Mayor finally realizes supporting 48 months of shuttle bus is a career limiting move.
http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/07/scarborough_to_get_a_new_subway_but_only_if_feds_help/
Every councillor who has dreams of becoming Mayor finally realizes supporting 48 months of shuttle bus is a career limiting move.
Aside from the cost matter, Scarborough does need a new subway to the RT line, extension or no extension.
