Actually, they pretty much took that day off. Instead, they came out in huge numbers the next day and forced the annual Holocaust Memorial ceremony to be moved. Classy folk...GlavaMan said:They had to share Parliament Hill with the annual 420 protest last week!
To all our Tamil brothers...
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Classic redneck rant.shaved said:
What you fail to realize is that, but for these darkies that you so detest, no one in their cotton pickin' mind would ever think of immigrating to this culturally barren freezer of a country to prop up your real estate market that your retirement plans rest on. When I even suggested in passing once that some of my relatives from Europe might want to consider moving here, they almost literally laughed me out of the room...Canada doesn't have the sterling rep you so-called 'real canadians' think it has, except maybe in slums around the world.
It is the police that are blocking University Ave., not the Tamil protesters. The police closed down the road. Why aren't the Toronto Police Services clearing the area of these terrorists? It is not city hall politicians that decide which laws to enforce and when. That would be political interference in a police matter. It is the responsibility of the chief of police. Bring back Fantino and the police state!
I have not always been one to voice my opinion in political forums... but being born and raised in Canada, coming from a family which immigrated here also.. I think it's worth it.
I think this issue can be looked at on many levels. For most ... YES we are mad that it's causing disruption in the city's core... and let's not make them out to be the innocent people..they want attention! If they didn't ..they would have been at the parliamentary building with the other group of peaceful protester's yesturday...
I believe it is important to respect this country for the opportunities, freedoms, luxuries and priveledges that it offers. They have left their homeland to come to Canada..to better themselves.. to find a life they didn't have back home.. sacrificing.. leaving family behind to do so.. They understood that when they came here. I respect that they are trying to do something to help their family's backhome.. but there is a peaceful way to do things.
SRI LANKA's issues have become more important than what is going on in Canada..The country that has given them these freedom's and rights.
WE as a country..are in no shape to be putting pressure anywhere. We are in a mess of our own.
How does one go clean someone else's backyard..when our own is in such a mess? Did they NOT look around them and see the homeless people they walked by to get to the U.S embassy?
They are stating that police are being "harsh" with them. They are protesters.. I don't see them sitting down and singing Kumbaya... Their rights are important...but not above the rest of the society's. I stand behind the Toronto Police... (not always) but they are keeping the peace.
At the end of the day... Canadian's are in a mess of their own..and if this country continue's to help other country's before it help's itself... there will be NO CANADA.
I think this issue can be looked at on many levels. For most ... YES we are mad that it's causing disruption in the city's core... and let's not make them out to be the innocent people..they want attention! If they didn't ..they would have been at the parliamentary building with the other group of peaceful protester's yesturday...
I believe it is important to respect this country for the opportunities, freedoms, luxuries and priveledges that it offers. They have left their homeland to come to Canada..to better themselves.. to find a life they didn't have back home.. sacrificing.. leaving family behind to do so.. They understood that when they came here. I respect that they are trying to do something to help their family's backhome.. but there is a peaceful way to do things.
SRI LANKA's issues have become more important than what is going on in Canada..The country that has given them these freedom's and rights.
WE as a country..are in no shape to be putting pressure anywhere. We are in a mess of our own.
How does one go clean someone else's backyard..when our own is in such a mess? Did they NOT look around them and see the homeless people they walked by to get to the U.S embassy?
They are stating that police are being "harsh" with them. They are protesters.. I don't see them sitting down and singing Kumbaya... Their rights are important...but not above the rest of the society's. I stand behind the Toronto Police... (not always) but they are keeping the peace.
At the end of the day... Canadian's are in a mess of their own..and if this country continue's to help other country's before it help's itself... there will be NO CANADA.
So the protest is over this morning as soon as the police moved in to break it up. This could have been done 5-minutes after they blocked the intersection instead of allowing a circus to set up.
What was accomplished:
1- Disrespect for the Tamil community. We have many great minority cultures in Toronto. This is not one of them. They have demonstrated that they are pushy, demanding, and put their own interests above everybody elses. Not good neighbors.
2- Revealed what a terrorist network we have in Toronto that can organize this group to take a section of the city hostage. They demonstrate a Terrorist mentality to solving their problems.
3- An appreciation for what the Sri Lankan government must be dealing with. I never knew much about their problems before but recent events suggest that the problem over there is the same one that we just experienced over here.
4- What a lame Municpal government we have in place. This mayor hides from confrontation and making difficult decisions.
I wonder if we can send the Tamil Tigers a bill for the collective wages of the Police resources that had to be directed to this unnecessary mess.
What was accomplished:
1- Disrespect for the Tamil community. We have many great minority cultures in Toronto. This is not one of them. They have demonstrated that they are pushy, demanding, and put their own interests above everybody elses. Not good neighbors.
2- Revealed what a terrorist network we have in Toronto that can organize this group to take a section of the city hostage. They demonstrate a Terrorist mentality to solving their problems.
3- An appreciation for what the Sri Lankan government must be dealing with. I never knew much about their problems before but recent events suggest that the problem over there is the same one that we just experienced over here.
4- What a lame Municpal government we have in place. This mayor hides from confrontation and making difficult decisions.
I wonder if we can send the Tamil Tigers a bill for the collective wages of the Police resources that had to be directed to this unnecessary mess.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Tamils+cost+Ottawa/1539789/story.html
You'll have to get in line...
never understood this time of protesting. whatever sympathy they might have got from me has now left the building.
Questor said:It is not city hall politicians that decide which laws to enforce and when. That would be political interference in a police matter. It is the responsibility of the chief of police. Bring back Fantino and the police state!
Actually it is...look at the panhadling bylaw that the police refuse to enfore because there is political pressure to have them not enforce it.
The police chief in Toronto is responsible to the Mayor.
It's over.... for now
Looking at this whole situation I've formed the following opinions:
1. The TPS did a good job at maintaining order and from keeping this thing from blowing out of control. They acted like pros and proved yet again why we live in one of the best places in the world. If this was let's say China they would have driven a tank down University ave.
2. The Mayor of this city is weak and useless. He did nothing. Which is a shame because had he been more active in this matter he might have been able to score some points with voters.
3. The protesters failed miserably to generate any sympathy for their cause. By aligning themselves with a group of Terrorists they lost all credibility. The would have been better off denouncing violence on both sides and focusing on the civilian cost of this conflict.
Looking at this whole situation I've formed the following opinions:
1. The TPS did a good job at maintaining order and from keeping this thing from blowing out of control. They acted like pros and proved yet again why we live in one of the best places in the world. If this was let's say China they would have driven a tank down University ave.
2. The Mayor of this city is weak and useless. He did nothing. Which is a shame because had he been more active in this matter he might have been able to score some points with voters.
3. The protesters failed miserably to generate any sympathy for their cause. By aligning themselves with a group of Terrorists they lost all credibility. The would have been better off denouncing violence on both sides and focusing on the civilian cost of this conflict.
There are many Eastern Europeans and Russians who would love to make Canada their home. There are also many Chinese who would love to make Canada their home. Western Europe has a "depopulation" problem. The population growth in Italy and I think France has turned negative.FOOTSNIFFER said:
Actually in most of Europe (especially in the east) there is such a drop in indigenous birthrates. Some countries are looking at technically become "dying" races and have begun to see an influx of immigration...mainly from China.Rockslinger said:
It's not a strange sight to see Chinatowns in the eastern bloc.
True. I didn't want to sidetrack this thread but Eastern Europe is feeling the effect of out migration after decades of communist rule. In Russia, demon Volka is killing Russian men by the time they hit their 50's and all their best hockey players are in N.A. Chinese are desirable immigrants because they are generally well behaved and don't go around blowing people and things to kingdom come.masterchief said:
Science fiction
In a few science fiction moive (blade runner, Firefly etc) Chinese has replaced English as the dominate langauge/culture, which is logical since if the world ever went democratic they would have the largest block of votes: more than 25% compared to the USA block of about 3%. In fact, the Chinese goverment use to stop immigartin but now realeases it helps their national interest to have large group of loyal Chinese going to democracies. When the democratic Hong Kong was rejoined to the oppressive communist dictatorship the worlds Chinese communities celebrated in the streets, including here. Chinese nationationism trumps concepts as freedom. We are seeing simlar loyalty in the current protest.
after decades of communist rule. In Russia, demon Volka is killing Russian men by the time they hit their 50's and all their best hockey players are in N.A. Chinese are desirable immigrants because they are generally well behaved and don't go around blowing people and things to kingdom come.[/QUOTE]
In a few science fiction moive (blade runner, Firefly etc) Chinese has replaced English as the dominate langauge/culture, which is logical since if the world ever went democratic they would have the largest block of votes: more than 25% compared to the USA block of about 3%. In fact, the Chinese goverment use to stop immigartin but now realeases it helps their national interest to have large group of loyal Chinese going to democracies. When the democratic Hong Kong was rejoined to the oppressive communist dictatorship the worlds Chinese communities celebrated in the streets, including here. Chinese nationationism trumps concepts as freedom. We are seeing simlar loyalty in the current protest.
after decades of communist rule. In Russia, demon Volka is killing Russian men by the time they hit their 50's and all their best hockey players are in N.A. Chinese are desirable immigrants because they are generally well behaved and don't go around blowing people and things to kingdom come.[/QUOTE]
Actually the weirdest thing is seeing how well they assimilate. It's not uncommon to see Chinese immigrants speaking fluent slavic languages without any accent or hint that they were not born there.escortsxxx said:
Pretty impressive.
Let's ignore science fiction for a moment. The reality is that millions of Chinese are embracing capitalism, democracy and human rights (thanks to the West). Millions of Chinese are learning English in China.escortsxxx said:
OK, this is a long long thread so let me contribute my own 2 cents here.
1. Tamils are not terrorists. Someone mentioned that in the thread here. You can call LTTE or LTTE supporters as terrorists. Let me enlighten you here. Tamil ethnic community hail from the southern part of India. Many many years ago, some of them were transported to Sri Lanka to work on the tea plantation. So when someone says Tamil dont confuse him/her with SL Tamil. He could be from SL or India or Malaysia or Singapore. Tamils from India tend to be more educated.
2. Generally speaking, the Tamil refugees frm SL are people who were driven out of their villages from the SL government. They are not the most sophisticated and educated people. They way they bring up their kids is best left unwritten. This is reflected in the way they are protesting a totally legit grievance. It is unsophisticated and annoying, but their grievance is REAL.
3. Generally speaking, since the perpetrator and the victim are seen as people unaffiliated to the general Canadian population, thhere is a sense of apathy and ignorance about the human rights issue in SL. When a bunch of white english speaking people were driven out by the Kenyan government, there was an internatioanl (read western) uproar. When a bunch of SL guys kill a bunch of Tamil guys, a regular guy in Canada thinks "who gives a fuck".
1. Tamils are not terrorists. Someone mentioned that in the thread here. You can call LTTE or LTTE supporters as terrorists. Let me enlighten you here. Tamil ethnic community hail from the southern part of India. Many many years ago, some of them were transported to Sri Lanka to work on the tea plantation. So when someone says Tamil dont confuse him/her with SL Tamil. He could be from SL or India or Malaysia or Singapore. Tamils from India tend to be more educated.
2. Generally speaking, the Tamil refugees frm SL are people who were driven out of their villages from the SL government. They are not the most sophisticated and educated people. They way they bring up their kids is best left unwritten. This is reflected in the way they are protesting a totally legit grievance. It is unsophisticated and annoying, but their grievance is REAL.
3. Generally speaking, since the perpetrator and the victim are seen as people unaffiliated to the general Canadian population, thhere is a sense of apathy and ignorance about the human rights issue in SL. When a bunch of white english speaking people were driven out by the Kenyan government, there was an internatioanl (read western) uproar. When a bunch of SL guys kill a bunch of Tamil guys, a regular guy in Canada thinks "who gives a fuck".
Then there is the other example. Mugabe thugs steal farmland from white farmers and kill them if they resist. Where is the international uproar?raj_sekar_100 said:
The larger moral question is when and where we should meddle in the affairs of other people. Whether that be in Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Darfur, Iraq, North Korea, Burma, etc. The list is a long one.
