Titanic Submersible

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I suspect he was a principal visionary in getting the initiative setup and moving forward, and provided a lot of what I would term 'end user input' all through the process. But the lead technical engineer was Ron Allum, an Aussie engineer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Allum
If I remember correctly....two guys one of whom was Dr Ballard being interviewed about the Titanic a few years ago and saying as a side note that Cameron was quite legit in the deep sea submersible community not only for his knowledge of Titanic but about submersibles .

He is a shareholder/partner of Triton submersibles which builds a full range of deep sea submersibles
 

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Auguste Piccarde designed a deep diving vessel in 1930s that successfully explored the depths. His son, Jaques, took another design to the deepest place on the planet over 50 years ago. This technology is not new by any stretch of imagination and, with proper industrial support, readily executable. The designers of the modern submarines are not really inventing anything new.
 

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Auguste Piccarde designed a deep diving vessel in 1930s that successfully explored the depths. His son, Jaques, took another design to the deepest place on the planet over 50 years ago. This technology is not new by any stretch of imagination and, with proper industrial support, readily executable. The designers of the modern submarines are not really inventing anything new.
In particular, the structural integrity of the vessel is not an issue, because the stresses and strengths of materials are well understood and routine engineering.
There has been no implosions of deep sea vessels for 60 years.
 
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Auguste Piccarde designed a deep diving vessel in 1930s that successfully explored the depths. His son, Jaques, took another design to the deepest place on the planet over 50 years ago. This technology is not new by any stretch of imagination and, with proper industrial support, readily executable. The designers of the modern submarines are not really inventing anything new
Which is why this industry needs to be government regulated.
As of right now submersives arent required to be certified, that needs to change
 

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Which is why this industry needs to be government regulated.
As of right now submersives arent required to be certified, that needs to change
I think that the ocean has its own way of regulating the industry. It often takes a tragedy for the common sense to break out and hard rules to be instituted, even in the government. Like after the loss of USS Thresher the US Navy REALLY got serious about sub safety, led by Hyman Rickover, and instituted rules that became hollier than the Bible for the underwater navy.
 

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In particular, the structural integrity of the vessel is not an issue, because the stresses and strengths of materials are well understood and routine engineering.
There has been no implosions of deep sea vessels for 60 years.
....and yet, OceanGate produced an unsafe vehicle that ultimately resulted in a catastrophic failure because they didn't understand the design defects. If this domain really is so simple and easy to master, what happened to Titan? The guys working on the initiative weren't experts but they weren't chimps either...
 

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He probably got his carbon fibre at Home Depot
 

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....and yet, OceanGate produced an unsafe vehicle that ultimately resulted in a catastrophic failure because they didn't understand the design defects. If this domain really is so simple and easy to master, what happened to Titan? The guys working on the initiative weren't experts but they weren't chimps either...
Well..... mistakes happen. No industry is more regulated than the atomic industry, and accidents and incidents still happen. The air transport industry is extremely heavily regulated and planes still crash.
 
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There's a grieving mother of a 19 year old who didn't even want to go. The US coast guard knew the outcome 4 days before oxygen ran out and they still had a 4 day futile search.
It is always easy to criticize others without knowing all the facts and red tape involved with this search.
 
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....and yet, OceanGate produced an unsafe vehicle that ultimately resulted in a catastrophic failure because they didn't understand the design defects. If this domain really is so simple and easy to master, what happened to Titan? The guys working on the initiative weren't experts but they weren't chimps either...
I don’t like to draw remotely possible similar comparisons. Space Shuttle O-rings disagreement between engineers and the PR department overruling the cautions raised by the engineers. Maybe, it depends on what might be determined to have caused the implosion. We will probably never know.
 

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I was asking if he had hired 50+ year old white guys, would the submersible not have imploded?
But a DEI he hired certainly didn’t help this tragic situation . But a 50+ year white guy ex military navy operator would not had hinder the situation , maybe they would have survived. I bet the billionaire family will sue and this company oceangate . It will go bankrupt!
An Inexperienced ( “ DEI”) submarine pilot errors may had cause the sub to hits something causes a small crack in the sub or in the sub window and at that depth the submersible will imploded .Maybe the submersible got caught on a bad underwater current then got slam into something ( like the descenting cable or underwater old fishing debries like old net and old anchor from fishing trawlers that was lost in the sea floating around) .

An experience 50+ year old ex military/ navy sub operator may or may not had prevented this tragic. Unfortunately no one know! Would you rather DEI pilot a Boeing 747 in a bad weather or a 50+ year old white guy that have many year of experience Of real flight experience. I take skill and experience then DEI hire.

CEO didn't want to hire the best qualified pilots for going under the water 13000 ft! Instead, they go for 'inspirational' hires? OMG. this is too much. You reap what you sow! Expected a lawsuit! Freaking nuts using a game controller to drive a sub! An experience 50 year old + white guy or 50 year old black navy sub operator who had refused to get into the submarine.


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PS An experienced 50+ year ex military/ navy sub operator ( white guy or black guy ) would had refuse to get on the sub and report that to transport Canada!
 
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....and yet, OceanGate produced an unsafe vehicle that ultimately resulted in a catastrophic failure because they didn't understand the design defects. If this domain really is so simple and easy to master, what happened to Titan? The guys working on the initiative weren't experts but they weren't chimps either...
Because Mr Rush used an inappropriate material for constructing the pressure hull.

As I posted above, composite carbon fiber has tensile strength ( I.e. being good for airplane bodies) but has poor compression strength characteristics. Any mechanical engineer knows that.
 

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But a DEI he hired certainly didn’t help this tragic situation . But a 50+ year white guy ex military navy operator would not had hinder the situation , maybe they would have survived. I bet the billionaire family will sue and this company oceangate . It will go bankrupt!
An Inexperienced ( “ DEI”) submarine pilot errors may had cause the sub to hits something causes a small crack in the sub or in the sub window and at that depth the submersible will imploded .Maybe the submersible got caught on a bad underwater current then got slam into something ( like the descenting cable or underwater old fishing debries like old net and old anchor from fishing trawlers that was lost in the sea floating around) .

An experience 50+ year old ex military/ navy sub operator may or may not had prevented this tragic. Unfortunately no one know! Would you rather DEI pilot a Boeing 747 in a bad weather or a 50+ year old white guy that have many year of experience Of real flight experience. I take skill and experience then DEI hire.

CEO didn't want to hire the best qualified pilots for going under the water 13000 ft! Instead, they go for 'inspirational' hires? OMG. this is too much. You reap what you sow! Expected a lawsuit! Freaking nuts using a game controller to drive a sub! An experience 50 year old + white guy or 50 year old black navy sub operator who had refused to get into the submarine.


FYI
Dude, the CEO was piloting the sub. A 61 year old white guy. 🤦‍♂️
 

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Which is why this industry needs to be government regulated.
As of right now submersives arent required to be certified, that needs to change
I agree in principle that vessels that carry civilians should be government regulated. The issue of course is that the sub exists in a grey area where it's unclear who has jurisdiction over it because it operates in international waters. I am also not sure if regulating Ocean Gate would have changed anything. A well connected and wealthly person has the ability to go with another company that isn't government certified.

I think James Cameron claimed that the industry has never had disaster like this in it's history. That's an excellent track record especially if there hasn't been any regulation thus far. So I don't see how more regulation is going to improve that statistic.

On the other hand, I am not sure how the government can regulate experimental vessels. By definition an experimental vessel isn't regulated. The only way to test material limits and vessel design is to put people at risk. We can certainly reduce the risk by doing lots of virtual and un-manned tests, but someone will have to risk their life at some point. I don't think we should get government involved in that until it goes mainstream.
 
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Dude, the CEO was piloting the sub. A 61 year old white guy.
He also mention other employees not only submarine navy pilot , he mentioned like tech Or technician or platform operator too that could be DEI hire. Listen the video what the CEO of oceangate said. Lots of possibilities of errors that you cannot discounted like technical errors or tech errors or platform operator error Like maybe Cause the submarine to hit the ship when lower into water under a rough current or choppy seas. I will always go for experience over DEI hired when it come to safety or my life!

 
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The CEO was a 50+ white guy. His decisions on piloting, hiring, designing, ensuring safety etc sank the ship. Age and race of the people employed don't matter. The buck stops with Stockton Rush and he fucked up.
Hiring inexperienced people base on DEI as a qualification is a receipe for disaster! Hiring experience people based intelligence is not a receipe for tragedy! 5 people died! Yes age and race of the employed don’t Matter if you have the skills and intelligence to pilot and ensuring the safety of the sub , but if you hired someone that is not qualified and then base on DEI qualification….. it will results in a disaster.
 
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