Tiananmen 2.0 in Hong Kong
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The damn "white man" fills their heads with thoughts of democracy, human rights, equal rights, minority rights, freedom of the press, etc.
These protests are usually the result of coordination through social media. Social media is very often controlled or influenced by powers with a greater agenda that local freedoms: that to cause destabilisation for geo-political aims.
HK has the rule of law, and police are going to enforce it, no matter what the protestors think.
That is true to-day but there have been revolutions in the past e.g. American, French, Russian, Iranian, etc. before the Internet and Facebook.
You are just as naive as these kids if you think the West advocates these unrealistic ideals with no hidden agenda and self-interests.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that this is what he's saying.
Social media got the protests going in North Africa and Ukraine. Foreign NGO's promoting 'democracy' are often fronts for destabilization campaigns by foreign intelligence agencies. You (CIA) don't spend 5 billion dollars over 20 years [in Ukraine] and not expect some outcome.
That is very true. But social media makes it so much easier to get the young, naïve and impressionable to get to the streets. No wonder FAcebook is blocked in China; that's also why taxis in Beijing don't have radio dispatch; so that it's not possible to coordinate so easily an action against the state.
Hong Kong residents clash with activists on street
Pushing and yelling, hundreds of Hong Kong residents tried to force pro-democracy activists from the streets they were occupying Friday as tensions rose in the weeklong protests that have shut down parts of the city.
The scuffles in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district, one of several areas where protesters have camped out, were the most chaotic since police used tear gas and pepper spray last weekend to try to disperse protesters pushing for greater electoral reforms for the territory.
Police were hard-pressed to keep order as the two sides tussled in a tense standoff. The visibly older people trying to force out the vastly outnumbered younger protesters were yelling, shoving and at times trying to drag them away.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-03-06-53-02
Pushing and yelling, hundreds of Hong Kong residents tried to force pro-democracy activists from the streets they were occupying Friday as tensions rose in the weeklong protests that have shut down parts of the city.
The scuffles in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district, one of several areas where protesters have camped out, were the most chaotic since police used tear gas and pepper spray last weekend to try to disperse protesters pushing for greater electoral reforms for the territory.
Police were hard-pressed to keep order as the two sides tussled in a tense standoff. The visibly older people trying to force out the vastly outnumbered younger protesters were yelling, shoving and at times trying to drag them away.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-03-06-53-02
The protest will fizzle out.
Young minds think all is possible. Such is the idealism of youth.
"To dream the impossible dream,
To fight the unbeatable foes"
Older wiser heads know that the people who have the power (and the guns) do not relinquish power easily. Such is the reality on the ground. It is fruitless to fight unbeatable foes, especially when you don't have the backing of the U.S.
Young minds think all is possible. Such is the idealism of youth.
"To dream the impossible dream,
To fight the unbeatable foes"
Older wiser heads know that the people who have the power (and the guns) do not relinquish power easily. Such is the reality on the ground. It is fruitless to fight unbeatable foes, especially when you don't have the backing of the U.S.
I thought the teenagers had the backing of the USA (CIA & NGOs).
What the teenagers did not have backing them were the Hong Kong elites, the middle class, the Hong Kong law & order authorities. The PRC, the CCP, the People's Daily, mere footnotes in all of this.
Looking at these pictures, it is over. The fun is over. You can put that on your resume, but time to go back to school.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/03/hong-kong-protest-pictures_n_5926578.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/03/hong-kong-protest-pictures_n_5926578.html
Interestingly few if any of the teachers/professors who are openly
supportive of the protesting students quit their duties to participate
in the riots. The older and wiser worries more about missing
their pay cheque than students not showing up in classes.
supportive of the protesting students quit their duties to participate
in the riots. The older and wiser worries more about missing
their pay cheque than students not showing up in classes.
Pragmatism over principles. Actually, the Hong Kong Chinese do have a lots of rights although not as much as you or I in Canada. Have the "usual suspects" blamed the U.S. for these protests yet?
If I am the police force, I'll be pepper spraying happy,and baton shoving, as Hong Kong police does not use excessive force. If I am over there I would protest for a day and get free hot dogs by Canadian expats.
I don't see the Hong Kong people winning on this one. The saying goes," Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
Hong Kong is all about money.It's the financial capital of Asia. Everyday with no money being made on the island. Hong Kong suffers @ least 100 million a day. That's like 20million Canadian. Quotes whenever a weather guy says a typhoons on the way, and the island need to close for a half day.
I think next year it'll be a somber year for China National Day, October 1st.
I don't see the Hong Kong people winning on this one. The saying goes," Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
Hong Kong is all about money.It's the financial capital of Asia. Everyday with no money being made on the island. Hong Kong suffers @ least 100 million a day. That's like 20million Canadian. Quotes whenever a weather guy says a typhoons on the way, and the island need to close for a half day.
I think next year it'll be a somber year for China National Day, October 1st.
Most of these protesters are kids, and the poor, people who need government handouts to survive. They fear mainland China will take it away from them. They are demanding more "communism", and less "capitalism" Who would of thunk?
I find it ironic that the protesters were at first accusing the HK police of brutality because they used tear gas in order to clear the streets, something most police forces in Canada would use. In Europe, they use water cannon.
Then, the anti-protesters show up and the pro-democracy protestors accuse the police of not protecting them. Wow! Talk about an about face and a sense of entitlement.
The scale of anti-protester presence seems largely under-reported by the Western mainstream press. They parrot the pro-democracy protestor accusations that anti-protesters are either sent by triads or are Beijing sympathetic mainlanders. In reality, the anti-protester presence was massive. 40% of HK residents are migrants from China, who fled the regime there. Protesters should be careful about criticizing mainlanders. There are social tentions in HK, between HK and mainlanders, the former accusing the latter of being arrogant, loud, uneducated and lacking social graces.
It now emerges that the protest leader has been in the employ of so-called democracy NGO's funded by the US government. They use social media to whip up fervor amongst the gullible. It is the same recipe that they used before in with the Arab Spring in North Africa, Egypt, the Maidan Square protests in Ukraine. Bandwagons are easily created and propagated through Facebook like media. Facebook and Twitter are blocked in China, and the local Twitter equivalent, Weibo is monitored. If an account gets more than 500 hits, they get a visit from the secret police who investigate that person's 'popularity'.
What I did notice in this video, is that the officers were not carrying weapons. Interesting !
