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THE US IS FUNDING 70% OF ISRAEL’S WARS

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Obviously they feel with money they are spending on Israel, it better serves their national interests. One could say that they're getting a bigger bang for their buck.

Do you think that you know more about American interests than they do?
I dunno, Shazi. The US paid out about $40 billion to try to kill 20,000 Hamas. You think $2 million is how much it costs to kill each militant refugee living in a concentration camp? Maybe you should argue that Israel killed the 150,000 - 300,000 that the Lancet says is the real number, so you can think it wasn't so expensive to kill everyone in Gaza.

I think you have to be pretty fucked in the head to argue that killing 300,000 refugees living under illegal occupation is a better use of money for the US than paying for health care for every american.
 

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I suspect they know much more about their internal and global affairs than even you do. The spending has to pass through several legislative processes and hundreds of highly informed politicians with widely differing political views. They've managed to form a consensus. And this consensus has been consistent for over 60 years and probably about 15 different administrations. It's not just by co-incidence.

Are you willing to admit they have more information about their affairs and strategic interests than even you?
There was no consensus. Biden called it emergency funding, which he wouldn't do for hurricane damage for americans.
80% of dems backed ceasefire, not genocide.

 

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Maybe they need a proxy war to contain Russia. But the Palestinians?

What possible threat could the Palestinians pose to America? Im asking about America, not Israel.
If you want an actual discussion, it has to do with Iran and protecting Saudi and Iraqi oil. Any surprise that the West got more involved when the Houthis were attacking Saudi oil installations? Also worth noting that the US warned Israel that their response to Iran must not to strike Iranian oil production.
Could add in China's economic expansionist projects in Africa and the new Silk Road.

But some people think it more fun to just pretend Jews/Israel controls the US.
 
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No they don't.
Iran hasn't attacked another country in 200 years.
Other than endlessly through their proxies.
Hezbollah, Hamas, PIJ, a couple groups in Syria, a half dozen in Iraq, a couple in Bahrain, and of course the Houthis.

Plus IRGC terror attacks in Albania, Bahrain, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, India, Argentina, Kenya, Thailand, France, Denmark, ...
 

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If you want an actual discussion, it has to do with Iran and protecting Saudi and Iraqi oil.
Please tell me when the Palestinians have ever attacked Saudi Arabia or Iraq. This oughta be good.
 

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If you want an actual discussion, it has to do with Iran and protecting Saudi and Iraqi oil. Any surprise that the West got more involved when the Houthis were attacking Saudi oil installations? Also worth noting that the US warned Israel that their response to Iran must not to strike Iranian oil production.
Could add in China's economic expansionist projects in Africa and the new Silk Road.

But some people think it more fun to just pretend Jews/Israel controls the US.
Same with Gaza


 
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Other than endlessly through their proxies.
Hezbollah, Hamas, PIJ, a couple groups in Syria, a half dozen in Iraq, a couple in Bahrain, and of course the Houthis.

Plus IRGC terror attacks in Albania, Bahrain, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, India, Argentina, Kenya, Thailand, France, Denmark, ...
Now you're arguing the entire middle east are puppets of Iran?
That's quite the conspiracy theory.


 
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Now you're arguing the entire middle east are puppets of Iran?
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I'm arguing that you're intentionally acting like an idiot to avoid any discussion about Iran's military actions.

Are you going to pretend hezbollah wasn't founded by Iran and receives the vast majority of their weapons and money from Iran?
Are you going to pretend PIJ isn't completely backed by Iran?
Are you going to that much of Hamas's money comes from Iran?
Are you going to pretend that the Houthis aren't funded and armed by Iran?

There's a reason why Canada considers the IRGC a terrorist entity and it's not because of a jew conspiracy like you need to believe.
 
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Please tell me when the Palestinians have ever attacked Saudi Arabia or Iraq. This oughta be good.
Interesting you completely avoided the content of my post. Saudi and Iran have been the major regional rivals for the last 3 decades and in my opinion, little to do with the religious difference. Before that Iraq was the main rival for Iran and during that time, the Saudis encouraged US support for Iraq.

From the 50's to the 80's the Saudi were one of the many group using some Palestinian factions for their own purposes. From the 80's on, the Saudis began to distance themselves from the more violent Palestinian factions (i suspect because they realized peace brings far more profit from oil sales). Saudi and Iran are enemies. If Hamas and PIJ are in the pocket of Iran then the Saudis will oppose those groups even if they support a Palestinian state.
UAE is also becoming a major player as can be seen through their involvement in Yemen and Sudan.

If you can get past your obsession with Israel controlling the US, maybe you can take a look at the complexities of the Syrian civil war. Taking Turkey's war against the Kurds and everyone fighting against ISIS, you can clearly see the dynamic of Saudi backed proxies fighting Iranian backed proxies and the Syrian government which is subservient to Iran's network.

During the Kuwait war, the Palestinians backed Iraq which put them on the opposite side of the conflict from the Saudis.
The PLO did attack Jordan despite Jordan giving them citizenship when they annexed the West Bank.

International relations are far too complex to be simplified into your Israel vs. Arabs mindset.
 
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I'm arguing that you're intentionally acting like an idiot to avoid any discussion about Iran's military actions.

Are you going to pretend hezbollah wasn't founded by Iran and receives the vast majority of their weapons and money from Iran?
Are you going to pretend PIJ isn't completely backed by Iran?
Are you going to that much of Hamas's money comes from Iran?
Are you going to pretend that the Houthis aren't funded and armed by Iran?

There's a reason why Canada considers the IRGC a terrorist entity and it's not because of a jew conspiracy like you need to believe.
Hezbollah was created in response to the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.
Blame Israel.

Hamas was created in response to the Israeli occupation of Palestine.
Blame Israel.

 
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If you can get past your obsession with Israel controlling the US, ... you can clearly see the dynamic of Saudi backed proxies fighting Iranian backed proxies
So? Who gives a shit if Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a pissing contest for the Middle East? It has no bearing on North America. The only reason you care, is because it complicates things for Israel.

I don't see you taking any position on the Hindu vs. Sikh conflict playing out in Brampton. Why? Because it has no bearing on Israel.
 
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I hope Trump deports these radical Hamas supporters who are tearing down U.S. flags and raising Palestinian flags, he did mentioned in his rallies few times.
 
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