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When is NATO going to reach Moscow?
 

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When is NATO going to reach Moscow?
They'll bypass it in order to prolong it. ROTFLMFAO!!! The Washington's Uniparty will fight Putin to the last Ukrainian, Georgian or Kazakh, and whoever else they can sucker in into a war. Because big, bold wars are profitable and make for good "politics".
 
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They'll bypass it in order to prolong it. ROTFLMFAO!!! The Washington's Uniparty will fight Putin to the last Ukrainian, Georgian or Kazakh, and whoever else they can sucker in into a war. Because big, bold wars are profitable and make for good "politics".
Nah, only Putin wins if it is delayed.
 

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Nah, moved out of my mom's basement when I was 18.

Zero interest in virtual or fantasy anything. Real life is so much more interesting.
That's the comment of someone who has never even seen any of the games I'm talking about. They aren't for kids. They are for people with a serious interest in military history and tactics. The only fantasy element these games sometimes offer is "what if" scenarios. You won't find gaming that is any more "real life". They are used in real life command training.

p.s. It's a little ironic for anyone (including myself) who hangs out on a pooner board to claim that they are always "keeping it real"! LOL!

Does World of Warcraft have adjustments for things like the morale (or lack thereof) of individual soldiers? Of military incompetence? Fundamental supply chain problems? Foundational corruption? Can your your enemy divide itself from within with, say, a Prigohzin character?
I don't know much about World of Warcraft (other than it is online fantasy game), but I do know it's not what I'm talking about. The games I refer to are board games, and they deal with real military conflicts in great detail. Supply, morale, troop quality, prep fire, overwatch, overrun, combined arms, fog of war, weather, logistics, zones of control, command and control - you name it.

Maybe if the "weaker force" acted emotionally, on impulse. That would make it the weaker force right there. Like Russia.

Lots of examples of big 400 lb meatheads getting their heads shoved up their own asses by a more intelligent, more disciplined "weaker" and lighter opponent.

Anyways, thanks for the discussion but shouldn't you be getting back downstairs to the battle?
Individual battles (such as in a boxing ring) offer the opportunity for unlikely results (a lucky punch in boxing - for example). Mass conflicts, much less so. Luck tends to even out over large numbers. Just like rolling dice tending to even the distribution of the rolls over time.

If the Ukrainians had overwhelming technical superiority in weaponry they might be able to overcome greater Russian numbers in open conflict. But they don't. As a result, open conflict, particularly as an attacker, doesn't favour the Ukrainians.

Instead, Ukrainians should be looking at how the Viet Cong and Taliban managed to win.
 
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Don't you object to member insulting other members in your very next post? And here you go insulting Frankie who is a smart and interesting member of this board.

Sometimes you confuse me, Earp.
Considers calling someone a Marxist an insult.

I like the cut of your jib my dear sir. Good show, bravo, bravo indeed.
 

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The war is far, far form over. How's the offensive going? Are the Ukrainian knocking on Moscow's gates, yet?
When is NATO going to reach Moscow?


and just to spell it out




I might as well say Russia completely failed, I don't see any Russian divisions burning down the White House.

Where are all those nuke attacks poutine promised us [OK that isn't a strawman as he actually was promising those attacks if we crossed the line we crossed ages ago]
 

NotADcotor

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They'll bypass it in order to prolong it. ROTFLMFAO!!! The Washington's Uniparty will fight Putin to the last Ukrainian, Georgian or Kazakh, and whoever else they can sucker in into a war. Because big, bold wars are profitable and make for good "politics".
War is good for politics. Also by this summer Oil&Gas assures us that the US will totally give up on Ukraine. Which is it sunshine.

Also this stuff and the march on Moscow has been explained so many times. Are you trying to impersonate a brick wall or something, because this is what engaging with you is like.
Which I suppose makes the rest of us idiots for trying to engage with the lot of ye as if you were engaged in sincere rational discussion.

Betting he is going to quote the idiots part out of context and claim to be winning.

Also you might want to get this rolling on the floor thing checked out by a medical professional.
 

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That's the comment of someone who has never even seen any of the games I'm talking about. They aren't for kids. They are for people with a serious interest in military history and tactics. The only fantasy element these games sometimes offer is "what if" scenarios. You won't finding gaming that is any more "real life". They are used in real life command training.
 

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That's the comment of someone who has never even seen any of the games I'm talking about. They aren't for kids. They are for people with a serious interest in military history and tactics. The only fantasy element these games sometimes offer is "what if" scenarios. You won't finding gaming that is any more "real life". They are used in real life command training.

p.s. It's a little ironic for anyone (including myself) who hangs out on a pooner board to claim that they are always "keeping it real"! LOL!



I don't know much about World of Warcraft (other than it is online fantasy game), but I do know it's not what I'm talking about. The games I refer to are board games, and they deal with real military conflicts in great detail. Supply, morale, troop quality, prep fire, overwatch, overrun, combined arms, fog of war, weather, logistics, zones of control, command and control - you name it.



Individual battles (such as in a boxing ring) offer the opportunity for unlikely results (a lucky punch in boxing - for example). Mass conflicts, much less so. Luck tends to even out over large numbers. Just like rolling dice tending to even the distribution of the rolls over time.

If the Ukrainians had overwhelming technical superiority in weaponry they might be able to overcome greater Russian numbers in open conflict. But they don't. As a result, open conflict, particularly as an attacker, doesn't favour the Ukrainians.

Instead, Ukrainians should be looking at how the Viet Cong and Taliban managed to win.
Again I must reiterate that people laugh at you and never with you.
 
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Again I must reiterate that people laugh at you and never with you.
Stupid people do, I'm sure. I'm guessing that you are laughing.
 

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To be fair, this is the internet. Almost nobody ever gets convinced of anything.

Cue up the arguing on the internet is like memes.
Frank's oblivious to this point you make. Most people come here to have their views reaffirmed and block out anything that might conflict with that.

I'm actually not interested in convincing anyone of anything or changing anyone's mind. I really do enjoy real policy discussions beyond partisan politics. I just throw cold water on overzealous and idealistic comments that don't make a whole lot of sense. Most extreme posters don't take the time to do a quick internet search to verify or understand headlines and opinions they are drawn to in media. This doesn't endear me with people on social media. You're most likely not going to get a "good point' from the TERB crowd that disagrees with you.
 
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That's the comment of someone who has never even seen any of the games I'm talking about. They aren't for kids. They are for people with a serious interest in military history and tactics. The only fantasy element these games sometimes offer is "what if" scenarios. You won't finding gaming that is any more "real life". They are used in real life command training.
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So do you and your buddies award yourselves medals for bravery and promotions for winning these "serious" games, Dutch? 💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️🎖🎖🎖
 
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Don't you object to member insulting other members in your very next post? And here you go insulting Frankie who is a smart and interesting member of this board.

Sometimes you confuse me, Earp.
First, some of us have a longer history with Frank. His more extreme posts years ago were not getting a lot of traction so he has toned them down. Focusing on Trump always gains people on social media rapport and acceptance.

Second, calling someone a "shade of Marxist" isn't actually an insult unless you consider anyone here using an identifier as conservative, liberal, progressive, right-wing, lefty, etc. as insulting another member.

In regards to Frank's posts, he is like a television set with one channel. You might like that channel. That might be the only channel you want, but is there really any disagreement on that?
 
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NotADcotor

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So do you and your buddies award yourselves medals for bravery and promotions for winning these "serious" games, Dutch? 💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️🎖🎖🎖
When he clarified that these games were for military use and not some Paradox game, I don't know why you guys are slagging so hard on him still.

It is quite possible that they exist, and he would have access to them or to people who have access to them. He has yet to go to the contradictory "I am a ninja pirate" claims of a certain war puppy on terb.

If they do exist, it's a pity they are not released to the public, there are plenty of people who would bust a nut to such games.

Also if I remember, his initial point is that if you are going to attack prepared position, one should do some sort of serious prep. Even with WWI stormtrooper tactics in Operation Michael there was a 5 hour bombardments until the stormtroopers were sent in, and apparently they unlike the other imperial stormtroopers were trained to actually hit their targets, not miss them.
If you want to shit on his point, it should be the assumption that the Ukrainians have done nothing... nothing... like the goggles before they went in.

But seriously, if you are going to shit on someone, have them use goggles, they do something, like keeping shit out of the eyes.

 

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So do you and your buddies award yourselves medals for bravery and promotions for winning these "serious" games, Dutch? 💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️💂‍♂️🎖🎖🎖
It's just another opportunity for learning. You could use quite a few of those.
 
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I just throw cold water on overzealous and idealistic comments that don't make a whole lot of sense. Most extreme posters don't take the time to do a quick internet search to verify or understand headlines and opinions they are drawn to in media. This doesn't endear me with people on social media. You're most likely not going to get a "good point' from the TERB crowd that disagrees with you.
Then why do we not see you ever throwing cold water at your extreme radical rightie cohorts who on a regular base come out spouting off ridiculous extreme right-wing views?
 
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