The "soccer players collapsing" thread

[The LoLRus]

Another player has dropped dead

Tributes pour in as non-league footballer Leon Taylor passes away aged 36

DARLASTON TOWN have announced the tragic death of their player Leon Taylor aged 36. Taylor was taken ill yesterday, with his club learning of his passing last night. In a statement on their website…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[The LoLRus]

And another one. This time in Japan

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[The LoLRus]

Pro player in the Philippine Basketball Association collapsed a couple of days ago

PBA 3x3 player Roider Cabrera 'under observation for next 48 hours'

Next 48 hours critical for PBA player after collapsing inside dugout

www.spin.ph

 

[maurice93]

Not NBA, but there was a college player recently: https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...florida-feels-blessed-to-be-alive/6772064002/

Also, NBA player sample size is tiny compared to all the professional soccer players around the world throughout the different leagues

Not sure if you are trying to link these to vaccine use but I can clearly state that the college basketball one above has nothing to do with the vaccine.

It occurred on December 12, 2020 before vaccines had even been used in the US yet.

 

[The LoLRus]

Not sure if you are trying to link these to vaccine use but I can clearly state that the college basketball one above has nothing to do with the vaccine.

It occurred on December 12, 2020 before vaccines had even been used in the US yet

It could also be Covid thats causing it. But thats also concerning because vaccines are only 90% effective and that means 10% of the population could still get Covid and might go on to develop heart problems

 

[Valcazar]

Until I start seeing evidence the numbers have gone up, I wouldn't worry about it.
Like I pointed to above, in about 1/2 of the FIFA countries alone, the yearly average for collapses is about 150.
That's not even including other sports.

 

[jalimon]

It could also be Covid thats causing it. But thats also concerning because vaccines are only 90% effective and that means 10% of the population could still get Covid and might go on to develop heart problems

No sure it's related to Covid.

Dr. Juneau of the Montreal Cardiology Institute is currently doing a study on why there so many heart failure casualties for athletes. Basic research proved that extensive training change the heart to bring more 'fibrillation' (not sure correct word in english) which can eventually lead to a stroke or heart failure. Another Dr. from the same institute is doing similar research with the Barcelone football team (barca) and other Spanish Olympic athletes.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No sure it's related to Covid.

Dr. Juneau of the Montreal Cardiology Institute is currently doing a study on why there so many heart failure casualties for athletes. Basic research proved that extensive training change the heart to bring more 'fibrillation' (not sure correct word in english) which can eventually lead to a stroke or heart failure. Another Dr. from the same institute is doing similar research with the Barcelone football team (barca) and other Spanish Olympic athletes

They've been training like that for decades though, so I dont see how that could be the cause

 

[Valcazar]

No sure it's related to Covid.

Dr. Juneau of the Montreal Cardiology Institute is currently doing a study on why there so many heart failure casualties for athletes. Basic research proved that extensive training change the heart to bring more 'fibrillation' (not sure correct word in english) which can eventually lead to a stroke or heart failure. Another Dr. from the same institute is doing similar research with the Barcelone football team (barca) and other Spanish Olympic athletes.

Fibrillation is the same word in English.
I presume these studies pre-date COVID?
(Like I said, this has been a thing going back quite some time.)

 

[jalimon]

Fibrillation is the same word in English.
I presume these studies pre-date COVID?
(Like I said, this has been a thing going back quite some time.)

Not sure if it's pre covid or not.

It's proven that there has been much higher number of people affected (and dying) of blood clot since covid. But heart problem no. Not more then pre-covid I mean.

European football team make their player pass medical test few times per year. There is so much money involved they have no choice. The problem is current medical test are not enough for these highly trained player. The goal now is to find threshold or marks where a team will have to stop or slow down a players. Similar to the concussion protocol in the NHL.

 

[jalimon]

They've been training like that for decades though, so I dont see how that could be the cause

Training yes I agree. But the style of playing has changed a lot. A 2016 study showed that players have increased sprinting by 50% in a decade. And since 2016 many teams adopt a schema with 2 lateral defender that makes continuous sprint up front... (like Davies...).

Is the extensive sprinting, and playing many more games per year then in the past, be the cause...?

 

[Valcazar]

Here is a study on athletes collapsing that was started in 2014.

Aetiology and incidence of sudden cardiac arrest and death in young competitive athletes in the USA: a 4-year prospective study | British Journal of Sports Medicine

Here's a 2016 paper.

Sudden Cardiac Death in Athletes - PMC

There are clear health benefits to exercise; even so, patients with cardiac conditions who engage in exercise and athletic competition may on rare occasion experience sudden cardiac death (SCD). This article reviews the epidemiology and common ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2018: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12471-017-1061-5

Another 2016: https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardi...ports-participation-and-sudden-cardiac-arrest
("In the United States, there are approximately 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths (SCD) during competitive sports each year." )

It seems particularly high in basketball, at least in the US from 2004-2008 according to this 2011 study.

Incidence of Sudden Cardiac Death in National Collegiate Athletic Association Athletes

Background—The true incidence of sudden cardiac death (SCD) in US athletes is unknown. Current estimates are based largely on case identification through public media reports and estimated participat

www.ahajournals.org

Like I said, until I start seeing good numbers to compare year to year showing a significant rise, I am not going to think too much of this.

 

[silentkisser]

Couple of thoughts on this. We cannot say at all if these dudes collapsed because of COVID or the vaccine. There is a strong chance that is has nothing to do with any of that. Keep in mind, while these guys are in peak physical condition, certain heart conditions could be missed during routine examinations. I mean, if your a doctor looking at a ripped 22 year old, you're probably not going to be too concerned about their heart. So they miss something that happens later. Remember Jiri Fischer with the Red Wings. Dude was super healthy and nearly died on the bench due to an undiagnosed heart condition.

Also, there could be issues related to drug use. I mean, remember Len Bias? He didn't die or collapse on the court, but OD from cocaine. Or that dude who played for the Vikings and died of heat exhaustion during training camp. There are a lot of things that can happen and cause people to collapse.

 

[shack]

Is the extensive sprinting, and playing many more games per year then in the past, be the cause...?

And a lot of this is driven by the ever increasing price to acquire and sign players. The owners have to maximize every revenue stream and squeeze out as much performance from the players as possible. The owners want (and rightfully so) to get their money's worth.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Another player collapsed in Belgium last sunday

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1465787119499157505

 

[CrispyCrunch]

It’s not just happening more on the pitch, but also in the stands as well. I can’t remember any cases of fans having heart attacks in the stands before this year, but it’s happened several times at least this year in the premier league. Today 2 matches had to be suspended so fans could receive emergency medical attention and stretchered away to the hospital.

Watford fan stable in hospital after suffering a cardiac arrest

During a break in play in the 10th minute, players from both sides alerted medical staff from both clubs to the emergency unfolding in the Graham Taylor Stand.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It’s not just happening more on the pitch, but also in the stands as well. I can’t remember any cases of fans having heart attacks in the stands before this year, but it’s happened several times at least this year in the premier league. Today 2 matches had to be suspended so fans could receive emergency medical attention and stretchered away to the hospital

I'm wondering though, is it happening more or are we just noticing it more??

 

[CrispyCrunch]

I'm wondering though, is it happening more or are we just noticing it more??

I don’t know the exact stats and it could just be a coincidence but it’s more than I can ever remember.

Was also watching this match a month ago when it happened.

https://theathletic.com/news/fan-re...uspended-newcastle-vs-tottenham/0DKHojiOnxae/

A football stadium is one of the better places to have a cardiac arrest though. Most people don’t recover from it because they don’t have an emergency medical team on hand.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

2 more players collapsed in Germany last night

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

And another one. Thats 3 within the last 2 days in case you lost count

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1467173107643424773