The Pandemic That Wasn't

[underice]

Your link is dead,here is a fresh one.


https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/plandemic-part-1-dr-judy-mikovits_WtI2RQjupp9lcRO.html

 

[Malibuk]

 

[Valcazar]

People are still interviewing this Erickson guy? Amazing.

 

[doggystyle99]

People are still interviewing this Erickson guy? Amazing.

The two POS hacks Erickson and Massihi were attempting to use false information for their own selfish personal/business gains. That's why their videos have been taken down on YT.
Unfortunately Malibuk keeps attempting to place more importance on the financial side of things rather the loss of life. He's been sharing false or misleading videos and articles from the moment non essential businesses were shut down all in an attempt to reopen the economy.

 

[Malibuk]

People are still interviewing this Erickson guy? Amazing.

I have no idea who this guy is but he mostly sounds quite sensible in this video and the interviewer does a good job in addressing some of his questionable blanket points.

The bottom line is what are we waiting for?
A vaccine?
14 days of declining new known cases and every time there is an increase we reset the counter?

When you implement a lockdown and sanitary measures, it takes some time for the effects to be realized.
You need to go through a couple in incubation periods and you need to have people go through their weekly routines.
Once you have gone through several of these cycles, why would you expect to continually see better and better results from the exact same lockdown with the exact same safety measures?

Unless there is greater participation over time, this doesn`t make sense.

 

[squeezer]

Doug Ford is doing a fantastic job and not listening to the OPEN IT UP crowd at the cost of lives.

 

[Malibuk]

Doug Ford is doing a fantastic job and not listening to the OPEN IT UP crowd at the cost of lives.

He is doing a good job and he certainly isn`t waiting for 14 days of declining new known cases.

Lifting the lockdown will cost lives.
This is reality.
But lifting the lockdown will not significantly affect the places where the vast majority of deaths are coming from. Their issues are what they are, lockdown or not.

 

[canada-man]

He is doing a good job and he certainly isn`t waiting for 14 days of declining new known cases.

Lifting the lockdown will cost lives.
This is reality.
But lifting the lockdown will not significantly affect the places where the vast majority of deaths are coming from. Their issues are what they are, lockdown or not.

will you still support the lockdown when CERB runs out in July?

 

[doggystyle99]

I have no idea who this guy is but he mostly sounds quite sensible in this video and the interviewer does a good job in addressing some of his questionable blanket points.

The bottom line is what are we waiting for?
A vaccine?
14 days of declining new known cases and every time there is an increase we reset the counter?

When you implement a lockdown and sanitary measures, it takes some time for the effects to be realized.
You need to go through a couple in incubation periods and you need to have people go through their weekly routines.
Once you have gone through several of these cycles, why would you expect to continually see better and better results from the exact same lockdown with the exact same safety measures?

Unless there is greater participation over time, this doesn`t make sense.

You know full well who those guys are, they were all over the news and articles for spewing false information and on here Canadaman has posted their links numerous times, you've been quite active in those threads. I think in "End the lockdown" thread.
You keep falsely asserting and have done so numerous times before that people want to wait for a vaccine 12-18 months before opening businesses in Ontario, I've never seen one poster post on this board that sentiment. Majority keep saying we need certain measures in place and a significant drop in the number of cases and 14 days decline in new cases is not too long of a time period to have a drop, but unfortunately the open business now crowd wants businesses opened yesterday.

 

[Malibuk]

will you still support the lockdown when CERB runs out in July?

I think you have me confused with someone else.

I support the lockdown for a few Covid-19 incubation periods so there is time for the effects to be realized but we are way past that point.
I believe that we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg of the economic devastation that will be felt for years and paid for generations.
We are past the point of the cure being worse than the virus.

That being said, and given how far we have already gone, I think it makes sense to wait a little longer to see some results from places that are ahead of us in ending their lockdowns.

I think CERB is a bad program, but I am taking it since I do qualify.
A few years of no income or government support would be no problem at all for me, but I am not ignorant or indifferent to the devastation that our society collectively faces.

 

[Malibuk]

will you still support the lockdown when CERB runs out in July?

Ask doggy if I support the lockdown! :faint:

 

[Smallcock]

Go into any burger joint, grocery store... you have all kinds of employees not wearing gloves or masks. Your food is being handled by people that are infected but you play this little game that says standing 6 feet away in line until you're in the store passing people within 2 feet, protects you. lol This is all so dumb.

 

[Smallcock]

Many escorts are still working. Just check leolist for the ones that don't mind being public. We have agencies gearing up to re-open: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?710597-The-challenges-of-re-opening-in-this-environment

Yet in the magical mythical world where the deluded live (that's you, doggystyle), we're somehow going to win the battle against the contagion by staying home and away from public parks.

Covid is going to run its natural course whether you like it or not. You're not in control of it. Nobody is.

 

[Valcazar]

I have no idea who this guy is but he mostly sounds quite sensible in this video and the interviewer does a good job in addressing some of his questionable blanket points.

He is one of the two guys hyping their crap study and spinning it into a conspiracy against them as "truth tellers". No need to listen to an obvious grifter.

The bottom line is what are we waiting for?
A vaccine?

Of course not, that would be foolish. Even if we do get one that is decently effective, best case scenario for having it to scale would be years from now.

14 days of declining new known cases and every time there is an increase we reset the counter?

Without a good test and trace system in place, that is a very crappy but workable approach.

When you implement a lockdown and sanitary measures, it takes some time for the effects to be realized.
You need to go through a couple in incubation periods and you need to have people go through their weekly routines.
Once you have gone through several of these cycles, why would you expect to continually see better and better results from the exact same lockdown with the exact same safety measures?

Unless there is greater participation over time, this doesn`t make sense.

Agreed. The lockdown (such as it is) has not shown effectiveness. One answer is, as you imply, to enforce a stricter lockdown. I'm not in favor of that. (See the what's next thread)

Realistically the answer is to combine strategies until you get an R<1. The 14 day drop is an indication you have made that turn. Strong test and trace can prevent new surges. Opening up because it is all too hard is just giving up.

 

[Malibuk]

Realistically the answer is to combine strategies until you get an R<1. The 14 day drop is an indication you have made that turn. Strong test and trace can prevent new surges. Opening up because it is all too hard is just giving up.

The problem I have with this 14 day drop metric is that there is insufficient and inconsistent sampling quantity and methodology.

After all this time, Ontario hasn`t even tested 3% of the population.
The number of tests each day is very little and not the same day to day.
Plus it is not broad diverse randomized testing.

They are focusing of those most likely to be sick, of which there will be no shortage any time soon.

With such limited and skewed data, I don`t see how it is possible to know if R<1, especially without comprehensive anti-body testing.

 

[Valcazar]

I agree. You can't open up in these conditions. All you do have as a solid proxy is hospitalizations and/or deaths. Both are lagging indicators and fairly indirect.

 

[Malibuk]

Reset the 14 day counter back to 0 again.
This metric is essentially useless.

Ontario reports 477 new cases of COVID-19, the highest number in nearly a week
Ontario is reporting its highest number of new cases of COVID-19 in nearly a week, just as the province begins to lift some restrictions intended to limit the spread of the virus.
The Ministry of Health says that there were 477 new cases confirmed on Thursday as well as 63 more deaths in people who had contracted the virus.
The concern is that the uptick in new cases comes as the province begins to allow some retail stores to reopen. Garden centres were permitted to reopen this morning while hardware stores will be allowed to reopen as of Saturday morning. All other retail stores must remain closed but can open for curbside pickup as of Monday morning.
“Based on our framework, based on our robust health and safety guidelines, it is clear that right now there are certain businesses and workplaces that can operate safely,” Premier Doug Ford said last week. "That means they can physically distance their staff and customers, they can put in physical barriers, they can provide contact-free services, or they work outside and are isolated."

 

[Valcazar]

You haven't explained why it is useless.

Also, any decent version of the metric would be using a rolling average.

 

[danmand]

Look at the data on deaths https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

 

[Malibuk]

You haven't explained why it is useless.

Also, any decent version of the metric would be using a rolling average.

Most of all, because nobody is adhering to it.
At least, not Ontario or any of the US states that are opening up. I think there are 35 of them.

The problem I have with this 14 day drop metric is that there is insufficient and inconsistent sampling quantity and methodology.

After all this time, Ontario hasn`t even tested 3% of the population.
The number of tests each day is very little and not the same day to day.
Plus it is not broad diverse randomized testing.

They are focusing of those most likely to be sick, of which there will be no shortage any time soon.

It is like conducting an election poll but the sample size is tiny and only in a Liberal dominated riding.
Totally useless.