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The Ontario Science Centre is closing. What does that mean for the community?

Frankfooter

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The city owns the land. The province has a 99 year lease on the structure.

Move the science centre elsewhere, there's empty land for the city to re-zone into residential land to build housing on.
You know...to fix that little thing called "the housing crisis".

Or

Toronto can stare at a vacant lot and stop complaining about the housing crisis and blaming the province for their own incompetence.

Fair?
What next, skoob?
Are you going to declare that High Park should be turned into cookie cutter townhouses?

 

Frankfooter

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Oops?
Ever hear of the Crosstown development across the street? That's what I was referencing.
Try and keep up.

When they knock down the OSC and build housing on it, it will be a great location surrounded by nature and access to public transit.
The only thing standing in the way of progress will be the city council f*cking things up and they will only have themselves to blame while choking on Chow's failure.
Is there any public land you don't want torn up and given to developers?
 

Anbarandy

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Red used to be owned by IBM/Celestica and was sold and was developed for housing as it's perfectly situated on the Eglinton LRT line and will also be on the Ontario line. The land was re-zoned from commercial to residential. There is also a small piece of land that's included and it's not shown in your diagram and it's on the south side of Eglinton.
Approx 5000 desperately needed units are in the process of being built. They can build almost twice as many on the OSC land.
In other words, utilizing land within the city to build housing in an effort to deal with the housing crisis.

The Celestica property was for sale and many potential buyers were in line. Condrain won the deal and purchased it for residential development.
There are not many developers in Canada that take on such large project and investments.
The city owns the land. The province has a 99 year lease on the structure.

Move the science centre elsewhere, there's empty land for the city to re-zone into residential land to build housing on.
You know...to fix that little thing called "the housing crisis".

Or

Toronto can stare at a vacant lot and stop complaining about the housing crisis and blaming the province for their own incompetence.

Fair?
1) It took you a while after your first quoted post to google who owns the OSC property/lands/surrounding lands and who leases from whom.
2) Your initial guttural instinct was to believe Doug owns everything, thus he can do anything he wants to as the puppet of his developer puppet masters who purchased the Celestica site.
3) Your guttural instincts when challenged prompted your google panic search.
4) During your panic search you were dumbfounded by the fact that your favorite Drug is not a landlord baron but a peasant lesee on a 99 lease/leash to the true owners of the property and land. And, frickin hell no, Mr. Panic Search Boy the City of Toronto alone does not the land. The City of Toronto AND the TRCA both own the land.
5) When you referenced the 60 plus acre Celetica site development you also stated that "they can also build twice as many on the OSC land.
6) "They" referencing your favorite peasant lessee's puppet masters, the De Gasperis family, purchasing the land from your favorite peasant lessee's cum imaginary OSC land baron to build twice as many residential units.
7) As any can see, the actual buildable parts of the OSC lands is surrounded by unbuildable TRCA ravine lands and is just a fraction of the Celestica lands so your "they can build twice as many on the OSC land" laughable imaginary farted out straight out of your arse is a frickin joke.
8) You know jack s**t, as usual.
 
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Skoob

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What next, skoob?
Are you going to declare that High Park should be turned into cookie cutter townhouses?
Are you going to declare that we no longer have a housing crisis and suggest idiotic fixes to it?
 

Skoob

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Is there any public land you don't want torn up and given to developers?
Depends on how much you cry about there being a housing crisis and not wanting to build housing in reasonable proximity to the city.
Seems like you can't make up your mind on what you want to be enraged about.
I've narrowed it down to "anything DoFo does or says regardless".
Is that about right?
 

Skoob

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1) It took you a while after your first quoted post to google who owns the OSC property/lands/surrounding lands and who leases from whom.
2) Your initial guttural instinct was to believe Doug owns everything, thus he can do anything he wants to as the puppet of his developer puppet masters who purchased the Celestica site.
3) Your guttural instincts when challenged prompted your google panic search.
4) During your panic search you were dumbfounded by the fact that your favorite Drug is not a landlord baron but a peasant lesee on a 99 lease/leash to the true owners of the property and land. And, frickin hell no, Mr. Panic Search Boy the City of Toronto alone does not the land. The City of Toronto AND the TRCA both own the land.
5) When you referenced the 60 plus acre Celetica site development you also stated that "they can also build twice as many on the OSC land.
6) "They" referencing your favorite peasant lessee's puppet masters, the De Gasperis family, purchasing the land from your favorite peasant lessee's cum imaginary OSC land baron to build twice as many residential units.
7) As any can see, the actual buildable parts of the OSC lands is surrounded by unbuildable TRCA ravine lands and is just a fraction of the Celestica lands so your "they can build twice as many on the OSC land" laughable imaginary farted out straight out of your arse is a frickin joke.
8) You know jack s**t, as usual.
Seems like you just made some really stupid and uninformed assumptions about what I posted in response to someone else...and then just used the info I provided as your own while you desperately tried to interject into the conversation.

Question: are all Marxists the same in that they just want what everyone else has?
 

Frankfooter

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Are you going to declare that we no longer have a housing crisis and suggest idiotic fixes to it?
Your suggestion is DoFo tear down heritage sites with 3 million visitors a year even though its leased land he can't build housing on and to build housing there? That's skoopid.

The housing crisis is austerity, nobody can afford to buy or rent. There are a ton of small condos nobody can afford to buy or rent. That's the problem.
Depends on how much you cry about there being a housing crisis and not wanting to build housing in reasonable proximity to the city.
Seems like you can't make up your mind on what you want to be enraged about.
I've narrowed it down to "anything DoFo does or says regardless".
Is that about right?
DoFo outlawed fourplexes, which would have been an affordable densification and provided more housing.
Housing starts under DoFo are down to 2018 levels, he's totally failed to build new houses even after trying to take farm land and public land while giving developers breaks in fees.

He's a total disaster.

Someone is making an awful lot of cash for a politician.
 
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Skoob

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Your suggestion is DoFo tear down heritage sites with 3 million visitors a year even though its leased land he can't build housing on and to build housing there? That's skoopid.

The housing crisis is austerity, nobody can afford to buy or rent. There are a ton of small condos nobody can afford to buy or rent. That's the problem.


DoFo outlawed fourplexes, which would have been an affordable densification and provided more housing.
Housing starts under DoFo are down to 2018 levels, he's totally failed to build new houses even after trying to take farm land and public land while giving developers breaks in fees.

He's a total disaster.

Someone is making an awful lot of cash for a politician.
The left does everything possible to hinder progress on building housing so that they can then turn around and blame DoFo for not building housing.
OSC is being moved and anyone wanting to visit can go to the new one.
The land can be re-zoned.
No one wants fourplexes in their neighbourhoods.
 

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Depends on how much you cry about there being a housing crisis and not wanting to build housing in reasonable proximity to the city.
It does not mean that Ford has carte blanche to let his friends build wherever they want.

He still has egg on his face from the sordid Greenbelt affair.

Hopefully somebody can uncover the sweetheart backroom deal Ford gave to his buddies. How much of a kickback will he get?
 

Frankfooter

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The left does everything possible to hinder progress on building housing so that they can then turn around and blame DoFo for not building housing.
OSC is being moved and anyone wanting to visit can go to the new one.
The land can be re-zoned.
No one wants fourplexes in their neighbourhoods.
How do you rezone land that's leased to you for only 99 years, skoob?
Lots of people like fourplexes, clearly you've never been to Montreal or have seen much of downtown Toronto.

What next, you want to pave over high park?
 

Frankfooter

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It does not mean that Ford has carte blanche to let his friends build wherever they want.

He still has egg on his face from the sordid Greenbelt affair.

Hopefully somebody can uncover the sweetheart backroom deal Ford gave to his buddies. How much of a kickback will he get?
Skoob thinks the Greenbelt scandal would have been great for Ontario.
Expensive houses built in the middle of nowhere are just what he dreams of.
 

Skoob

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How do you rezone land that's leased to you for only 99 years, skoob?
Lots of people like fourplexes, clearly you've never been to Montreal or have seen much of downtown Toronto.

What next, you want to pave over high park?
Re-zoning happens all the time. If the city wants to stop crying about housing, then the city will work with the province.

The city is already over-crowded and dense. We don't need to make that any worse than it already is.
 

Skoob

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It does not mean that Ford has carte blanche to let his friends build wherever they want.

He still has egg on his face from the sordid Greenbelt affair.

Hopefully somebody can uncover the sweetheart backroom deal Ford gave to his buddies. How much of a kickback will he get?
Do you want the housing crisis fixed or not? It's really that simple.

If you care more about which developers build what, than care about the issue itself, then we will always have that issue and the problems that stem from it.

Conspiracy theories won't fix anything. Building housing will.

Can't have it both ways.
 

Skoob

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Skoob thinks the Greenbelt scandal would have been great for Ontario.
Expensive houses built in the middle of nowhere are just what he dreams of.
Building close to the city is not in the middle of nowhere. And with even more land being designated as greenbelt as a result.
Do you know what type of housing they were going to build there?

Be honest, you don't want housing issues addressed. You just want to direct your biased hatred at DoFo regardless what he does or says.

It's so obvious.
 

Frankfooter

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Re-zoning happens all the time. If the city wants to stop crying about housing, then the city will work with the province.

The city is already over-crowded and dense. We don't need to make that any worse than it already is.
So you think you can fix density by paving over parks, Ontario Place and the Science Centre and building townhouses?
But you're against condos and against fourplexes?
 

Frankfooter

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Building close to the city is not in the middle of nowhere. And with even more land being designated as greenbelt as a result.
Do you know what type of housing they were going to build there?

Be honest, you don't want housing issues addressed. You just want to direct your biased hatred at DoFo regardless what he does or says.

It's so obvious.
Check the maps, skoobid.
They Greenbelt land was not close to a city, it would have needed expensive service installs and there was no nearby transit.

Only 5% of Canada is arable and the Greenbelt is some of the best farmland in the country, skoobid.

 

Skoob

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So you think you can fix density by paving over parks, Ontario Place and the Science Centre and building townhouses?
But you're against condos and against fourplexes?
Ontario Place and the OSC have been useless for years and crumbling. Consolidating them into a year-round destination makes perfect sense.
Building a vibrant community within the city that's close to transit benefits everyone.
 

Skoob

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Check the maps, skoobid.
They Greenbelt land was not close to a city, it would have needed expensive service installs and there was no nearby transit.
More misinformation spreading from you...All the land that was identified for development was within an hour or less from the city and all those areas are already serviced by Go.

  • King Township: east of Dufferin Street, south of Miller's Sideroad and west of Bathurst Street.
  • Vaughan: north of Teston Road, east of Pine Valley Drive.
  • Richmond Hill: east of Leslie Street, north of Elgin Mills Road East and west of Highway 404.
  • Whitchurch-Stouffville: 11861 and 12045 McCowan Road.
  • Markham: 5474 19th Avenue.
  • 10325, 10378 and 10541 Highway 48.
  • 10379 Kennedy Road.
  • Pickering: West of West Duffins Creek, between Highway 407 and the CP Belleville rail line.
  • Ajax: 765 and 775 Kingston Road East.
  • Clarington: Northwest corner of Nash Road and Hancock Road.
  • Hamilton: South of Garner Road West, between Fiddlers Green Road and Shaver Road.
  • Hamilton: Between White Church Road East and Chippewa Road East, from Miles Road to Upper James Street.
  • Grimsby: Between the GO rail line and Main Street West, from Oakes Road North to Kelson Avenue North.
  • 502 Winston Road.
  • Hamilton: 331 and 339 Fifty Road.
 
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