2 million or so people in Gaza, are you claiming they are all terrorists?
This is collective punishment, a war crime.
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2 million or so people in Gaza, are you claiming they are all terrorists?
This is collective punishment, a war crime.
2 million or so people in Gaza, are you claiming they are all terrorists?
This is collective punishment, a war crime.
The rest are the victims of Hamas. It's not collective punishment, it's self defence.
"53% support a return to an armed intifada"
^^^^ that's all you need to know
You've already addressed this point and supported Palestinian freedom fighters.
The price for freedom has always been paid in blood, and has always been worth paying.
2 million or so people in Gaza, are you claiming they are all terrorists?
This is collective punishment, a war crime.
Their government is and they use the governmental infrastructure attempting to kill Israeli civilians and remove Jews from the region. It is a hostile state and that's why Israel refuses to allow in dual use items. No other time in history have people complained about border restrictions between warring states.
Simply those that are peaceful are allowed transit through Israel, education in Israel, hospital treatment in Israel, imports and exports with Israel, and all sorts of aid. Too bad their government is in the habit of taking aid for their own uses, spending aid money on terror infrastructure, profiteering from smuggling, etc....
You've already addressed this point and supported Palestinian freedom fighters.
I only support people who fight for democracy and human rights. You support islamist scum like Hamas.
"They" did elect the current leadership.2 million or so people in Gaza, are you claiming they are all terrorists?
This is collective punishment, a war crime.
Killing Jews: Best Career Move in Gaza
- Palestinians and their families are being financially rewarded by the West for taking part in terror attacks against Jews. It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that this promotes terrorism.
- Palestinian terrorists released from prison have far higher chances of getting a job with the Palestinian Authority (PA) government than people who went to university, because by carrying out an attack against Jews they become heroes, entitled to a superior job and salary.
- The more time you spend in an Israeli prison, the more prestigious the job you will receive. Graduating from an Israeli prison is better than graduating from an Ivy League university.
- These people have not been imprisoned for running a red light. Most of them are behind bars because they have masterminded suicide bombings and other terror attacks that have killed and maimed hundreds of innocent civilians during the past few decades.
- So, when you hear that it is the PLO, not the PA, that pays the terrorists' salaries, you might want to mention that this statement is a sleight of hand designed to dupe unsuspecting and well-intentioned American and European donors.
- It is time to tell Abbas and his associates, in terms that they understand, that the West will no longer fund terrorists. This message, above all others, will discourage terrorism -- and perhaps even encourage peace.
Killing Jews has become a profitable business. Palestinians who think of launching a terror attack against Jews can rest assured that their well-being and that of their family will be guaranteed while they are in Israeli prison. Here is how it works:
The Western-funded Palestinian Authority (PA) government, through its various institutions, provides a monthly salary and different financial benefits to jailed Palestinian terrorists and their families. Upon their release, they will continue to receive financial aid, and are given top priority when it comes to employment in the public sector. Their chances of getting a job with the PA government are higher than those who went to university, because by carrying out an attack against Jews they become heroes, entitled to a superior job and salary.
For the record, these people have not been imprisoned for running a red light. Most of them are behind bars because they have masterminded suicide bombings and other terror attacks that have killed and maimed hundreds of innocent civilians during the past few decades. In the U.S., these convicted Palestinian terrorists would have been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, or the death penalty. What they would not be receiving are the privileges offered to them by Abbas and the PA leadership.
Ready for a dose of linguistic reality? In addition to his title as president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas is also chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). So it makes no difference at all whether the PA or the PLO is paying salaries to the terrorists: the same man is authorizing the funds. In reality, the PA and the PLO are one and the same. Israel signed the Oslo Accords with the PLO, and as a result of these agreements, the PA was created. We are dealing with the same people and same ideology.
So, when you hear that it is the PLO, not the PA, that pays the terrorists' salaries, you might want to mention that this statement is a sleight of hand designed to dupe unsuspecting and well-intentioned American and European donors.
Let us look beyond the smoke and mirrors: Palestinians and their families are being financially rewarded by the West for taking part in terror attacks against Jews. It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that this promotes terrorism. A Palestinian who kills or wounds a Jew can lie comfortably in his prison cell, secure in the knowledge that his future and that of his wife and children taken care of.
Welcome to the world of President Abbas and his government. By providing financial and other aid to those involved in terrorism against Israel, these leaders actively encourage Palestinians to choose the path of violence, and not peace, in dealing with the Israelis.
Let us get specific. The more time you spend in an Israeli prison, the more prestigious the job you will receive. If, for example, you spent more than 15 years in an Israeli prison, and you are affiliated in one way or another with Abbas's ruling Fatah faction, you will most likely be offered the rank of Colonel or Lieutenant General in one of the Western-funded PA security services.
If, by chance, you masterminded a series of terror attacks that resulted in the deaths of multiple Jews, and your name is Marwan Barghouti, your chances of becoming the next Palestinian president are very high. Barghouti, who is serving five life terms in an Israeli prison for his role in a series of terror attacks that killed at least five Jews, is so popular that he won the first slot in the Fatah "primaries" that were held in Ramallah in late October...
While many in the international community have fallen for Abbas's trickery concerning the support of convicted terrorists who are imprisoned by Israel, a few have discovered the ploy. Earlier this year, the British government's Department for International Development reportedly froze part of its aid to the PA, following demands for action from UK lawmakers, after revelations that British aid was being used to fund payments to Palestinian terrorists. Some of the funds were reported to have gone to families of Palestinian suicide bombers and teenagers who have attacked Israelis.
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"They" did elect the current leadership.
Quoting the Gatestone Institute? Even Fujistan, who has an informal relationship with reality, doesn't regard that as credible:
Two times zero is still zero. The Gatestone institute isn't really credible, and your points that neither are the sites footer posts doesn't save it.
I only support people who fight for democracy and human rights. You support islamist scum like Hamas.
Then Palestinians are your people. Fifty year military occupation, settlements in violation of the Geneva Convention, ethnic cleansing by the occupiers, blockaded by the occupier, subsistence diet enforced by the occupier, military onslaughts by the occupier, forced economic dependency on the occupier, population registry controlled by the occupier, tax revenue controlled by the occupier and more.
The price for freedom has always been paid in blood, and has always been worth paying.
Their government is and they use the governmental infrastructure attempting to kill Israeli civilians and remove Jews from the region. It is a hostile state and that's why Israel refuses to allow in dual use items. No other time in history have people complained about border restrictions between warring states.
Simply those that are peaceful are allowed transit through Israel, education in Israel, hospital treatment in Israel, imports and exports with Israel, and all sorts of aid. Too bad their government is in the habit of taking aid for their own uses, spending aid money on terror infrastructure, profiteering from smuggling, etc....
This not warring states.
This is an illegal occupation with an illegal blockade and is subject to the Geneva Conventions, according to which Israel is responsible for the well being of those they occupy.
As confirmed recently by the ICC.
Which means that fact that only 10% have access to clean water and the UN says that Gaza will be unliveable in 3 years puts the responsibility firmly in Israel's hands.
Similarly, Israel's blocking of NGO's in Gaza and blocking of media access are all designed to hide the impending possible genocide.
In a few years Israel stands to create a situation far worse the Warsaw Ghetto.
Then Palestinians are your people. Fifty year military occupation, settlements in violation of the Geneva Convention, ethnic cleansing by the occupiers, blockaded by the occupier, subsistence diet enforced by the occupier, military onslaughts by the occupier, forced economic dependency on the occupier, population registry controlled by the occupier, tax revenue controlled by the occupier and more.
There's nothing illegal about the occupation. The Palestinians brought this on themselves through their racist aggression. They are fighting to ethnically cleanse the Jews.
There's nothing illegal about the occupation. The Palestinians brought this on themselves through their racist aggression. They are fighting to ethnically cleanse the Jews.
Unfortunately you are contradicting yourself again:
That's what dictators always say. They justify their brutal totalitarian regimes with scary stories about how awful life will be without their iron fist.
This not warring states.....
Hamas is the government of Gaza and they consider themselves at war with Israel. They freely state their aim is to destroy Israel and remove the Jewish presence. Of course that won't stop you from justifying Hamas terror attacks as 'self defense'.
I'm a late comer to this thread. History has shown that the only viable solution, or the best of a bunch of bad options, is a TWO or THREE state solution.
Example: Before the Brits left, they wisely partitioned India into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Example: The wise Chinese separated Singapore from Malaysia.
Example: Turkey and Armenia. The Turks tried to kill all the Armenians in Turkey.
Example: Serbia and Bosnia. The Bosnian Muslims tried to kill all the Serbs.
Example: Before the Brits left, they wisely partitioned India into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Example: The wise Chinese separated Singapore from Malaysia.
Example: Turkey and Armenia. The Turks tried to kill all the Armenians in Turkey.
Example: Serbia and Bosnia. The Bosnian Muslims tried to kill all the Serbs.
Hamas is the government of Gaza and they consider themselves at war with Israel. They freely state their aim is to destroy Israel and remove the Jewish presence. Of course that won't stop you from justifying Hamas terror attacks as 'self defense'.
They are living under an illegal occupation, according to international law that is not a war.
Crying wolf about Hamas doesn't excuse apartheid, the blockade or state terrorism.
I'm a late comer to this thread. History has shown that the only viable solution, or the best of a bunch of bad options, is a TWO or THREE state solution.
Example: Before the Brits left, they wisely partitioned India into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Example: The wise Chinese separated Singapore from Malaysia.
Example: Turkey and Armenia. The Turks tried to kill all the Armenians in Turkey.
Example: Serbia and Bosnia. The Bosnian Muslims tried to kill all the Serbs.
The problem is that they will not get international support for taking more Palestinian land.
The best way forward is to give Palestinians equal rights inside the de facto one state solution.
The two state solution is long dead.
The best way forward is to give Palestinians equal rights inside the de facto one state solution.
It's not possible: Hamas is committed to cleansing the Jews and creating an Islamic state.
It's not possible: Hamas is committed to cleansing the Jews and creating an Islamic state.
You've already answered that and contradicted yourself:
That's what dictators always say. They justify their brutal totalitarian regimes with scary stories about how awful life will be without their iron fist.
Israel isn't a dictatorship. You lose.
Hamas and Fatah are the dictators.
Really? The dictatorial occupier held an election and the Palestinians said yes, Israel, militarily occupy us?
You lose. That was too easy. You've backed yourself into a corner with your contradictory statements.
That's what dictators always say. They justify their brutal totalitarian regimes with scary stories about how awful life will be without their iron fist.
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