The movie "The Passion" Excuse my ignorance.
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Jesus wasn't worshiped as God until the 4th century AD, when church elders had a vote. It was part of the means by which pagans were converted by the Roman emperor Constantine. They kept their December festival of the winter solstice; the church just moved Jesus' birthday from the spring. There's not a lot of difference between worshipping a graven image of Jesus or one of Moloch.
The catholic church knows people are going to sin. They want them to feel guilty about sinning, and they want them to pay the church for the privilege to sin, and for forgiveness for their sins. The church claims to have a monopoly on issuing salvation. As with just about everything, that can be bought.
The catholic church knows people are going to sin. They want them to feel guilty about sinning, and they want them to pay the church for the privilege to sin, and for forgiveness for their sins. The church claims to have a monopoly on issuing salvation. As with just about everything, that can be bought.
An oldie but a goodie. Been waiting all year for the setup - was beginning to think I'd have to do it myself.
Thank you. WhaWhaWha and I will be here at the TERB Dinner Theatre all week. Try the veal, its mah-va-lus...
Because Hollywood knew of the critism it would receive in producing such a film from their Jewish religious leaders. They wished the film (and the idea to make it) would just go away when they declined to produce it. Gibson then financed it himself, which brought the film back to the forfront by Jewish religious leaders. And with all this attention, the Jewish religious leaders are making this movie a blockbuster which is in total contrast to what they set out to do. Don't think now, purely from a financial perspective, that Hollywood isn't kicking itself in the head.The Shake said:
But I guess Shake, after reading this, I don't have an argument and that I am anti-semitic, right???
Actually, n_v, I don't see anything anti-semitic about your response, except perhaps your use of the term "their Jewish religious leaders", which continues to imply that Hollywood is run by some Jewish cabal.
Its a shame that you had to undermine some of the valid points in your posting with your silly final sentence.
Its a shame that you had to undermine some of the valid points in your posting with your silly final sentence.
Watched a movie today called "The Body" (2000) with Antonio Banderas ,which I thought was very controversial about finding the bones of Christ.
Fair enough.n_v said:
I actually agree with much of what you wrote about what happened to "The Passion". Hollywood studios do not want to produce challenging or controversial films - they don't know how to market them and can't handle any whiff of controversy or "boycott" that might result. That's not an issue of religion, though, just spineless corporate management. Its that same groupthink that Michael Moore ran into when he had to come to Canada to get "Bowling for Columbine" produced.
Not exactly. Jesus' birthday was never a big deal in the early Christian church. The birth of Jesus was considered only a precursor to his resurrection. It was his death and rising from the dead they believed to be the central and most important points.bobistheowl said:
Jesus was indeed worshiped by the early Christians. The Gospel of John and the related epistles are very clear on some sort of divinity in Jesus. Pauline lierature, while not as explicit as John's, does make some very strong divine claims about Jesus.
While I am not a commited Christian, as a conservative I find revisionist history to be disdainful. Liberals are trying to turn Jesus into a peace loving hippie. Thats not exactly the kind of person who could have threatened the Jewish and Roman leaders. There were plenty of other preachers, miracle workers, healers, self-proclaimed messiahs that were never executed.
Many so-called "pagan parallels" to the Christian scriptures fall apart when historically looked at.
Right..... so if I walked out into the street right now and gunned down 15 people.... God wanted me to? I don't think so!red said:
"For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again.
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;"
There is no Mystery as to why Christ was handed over.
So those who would Cry Hate just don't see the fact it is in Christ's dying and rising Christianity is based. BTW Christ was a Jew.
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again.
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;"
There is no Mystery as to why Christ was handed over.
So those who would Cry Hate just don't see the fact it is in Christ's dying and rising Christianity is based. BTW Christ was a Jew.
From the Skeptical Inquirer
According to polls, more than a quarter of today's Americans believe in witches, almost half believe in ghosts, half believe in the devil, half believe that the book of Genesis is literally true, sixty-nine percent believe in angels, eighty-seven percent believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, and ninety-six percent believe in a God or universal spirit.
The Bible contains instructions for genocide, rape, and the destruction of families, and even the Ten Commandments, read in context, prohibit murder, lying, and theft only within the tribe, not against outsiders. Religions have given us stonings, witch-burnings, crusades, inquisitions, jihads, fatwas, suicide bombers, abortion-clinic gunmen, and mothers who drown their sons so they can be happily reunited in heaven. As Blaise Pascal wrote, "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
Ambrose Bierce defined to pray as "to ask that the laws of the universe be annulled on behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy."
Believers don't pause to wonder why a God who knows our intention has to listen to our prayers, or how a God can both see into the future and care about how we choose to act.
According to polls, more than a quarter of today's Americans believe in witches, almost half believe in ghosts, half believe in the devil, half believe that the book of Genesis is literally true, sixty-nine percent believe in angels, eighty-seven percent believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, and ninety-six percent believe in a God or universal spirit.
The Bible contains instructions for genocide, rape, and the destruction of families, and even the Ten Commandments, read in context, prohibit murder, lying, and theft only within the tribe, not against outsiders. Religions have given us stonings, witch-burnings, crusades, inquisitions, jihads, fatwas, suicide bombers, abortion-clinic gunmen, and mothers who drown their sons so they can be happily reunited in heaven. As Blaise Pascal wrote, "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
Ambrose Bierce defined to pray as "to ask that the laws of the universe be annulled on behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy."
Believers don't pause to wonder why a God who knows our intention has to listen to our prayers, or how a God can both see into the future and care about how we choose to act.
Well, to read the Jewish and Scripture books as a whole would be incorrect. They should be read chronologically (not the actual order they are in) in order to understand their context. There is major developments from Yahweh as a local tribal God to Yahweh as the only God who exists.Everyone Else said:
As for religion being the cause of many wars and such, indeed it has. But so has the idea of controling land and resources. And atheistic communism has made the inquisitions look like child's play when it comes to human rights abuses....
I don't have the energy to respond to your paranoid and delusional comments about Jews - its just depressing that people can still post such ignorant and inaccurate comments without recognizing the inherent bigotry of what they are suggesting.hehehe said:
That said, I think the discussion of religion and the Simpsons is an interesting one. Quite frankly, I'm surprised that you cited that particular show as one that "knocks down" Christianity.
The Simpsons is perhaps the only "sitcom" in which the featured characters regularly attend church. They believe in God (except perhaps Lisa who, like many Christians, occasionally questions her faith) and often use the bible and/or their faith to deal with problems that they face.
More notable, however, is the treatment of the Reverend Lovejoy character. As you rightly point out, the media typically treats Christian characters with contempt. Reverends and priests are way too often portrayed as hypocrites, molesters, sinners, etc. Lovejoy, while a bore and often dispassionate about his work, is none of those. He's a simple man who believes in God and struggles with his role as a minister in modern America.
Its the same with Ned Flanders. Although Flanders is often the butt of Homer Simpson's jokes, the writers have never taken the easy (and typical) path of making him sanctimonious or hypocritical.
Does the Simpsons poke fun at some aspects of Christianity? Without a shadow of a doubt, yes, but they also take jabs at Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. Great comedy should be thought-provoking and, during its prime, the Simpsons accomplished that.
I if after the next movie about second world war we will hear from germans that movie is prejudical
Andy Rooney said on the last 60 minutes, that God had spoken to him and asked him to tell everybody on TV that Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson and Mel Gibson all are as crazy as bedbugs.
I think that God is as likely to talk to Andy as to Mel, Pat and Jerry.
As for this movie, I find it appalling, that somebody like Mel Gibson is stirring up religious controversy for commercial gain. This is clearly a clever marketing ploy, with selling of nails from the cross etc. Shame shame shame.
The sad thing about it is that somewhere in the world, a little jewish boy is going to be hurt because Mel Gibson wants to make a Billion dollars.
I think that God is as likely to talk to Andy as to Mel, Pat and Jerry.
As for this movie, I find it appalling, that somebody like Mel Gibson is stirring up religious controversy for commercial gain. This is clearly a clever marketing ploy, with selling of nails from the cross etc. Shame shame shame.
The sad thing about it is that somewhere in the world, a little jewish boy is going to be hurt because Mel Gibson wants to make a Billion dollars.
