The Mitchell Report
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shack said:Well, there`s proof `roids don`t help with throwing accuracy (to 1st base, anyway).
Lol.
Like that old tale about the catcher with the mental block having trouble throwing back to the pitcher. If I recall, they even had to stick him in the outfield.
Clemens may be the big fish here, but he is the least of a surprise to many. We were talking about the possibility of Clemens taking roids in this very forum nearly 3 years ago.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=80281&page=2&highlight=clemens
For those of us like myself that admired how great he was as a Jay, I think it hurts an inner love for baseball more than anything else.
If the all time hit leader Pete Rose bet, and is denied to the HOF, then anyone that cheats should have the same outcome. That`s where equality really comes in. Then again, comparing Peter Ueberroth to Bud Selig is like comparing a pitbull to poodle.
I think it's more a matter of shattering those mythical moments/historical achievements that we're only able to witness so few times during our life. One less thing we'll be able to tell our grandchildren.Toronto Passions said:
blueline said:
Tejada and Gagne can still go to the Hall of Fame, the same way they would have gone before the report.
http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/visit/hours.jsp
MLAM said:
I just started to read a little bit of the report on MLB.com but I think Mitchell's main source of info were some trainers for the New York teams(how Clemens and Pettitte were named) and a handful of other league and club officials. So his assumption of widespread use, including Sosa, Mcgwire and Palmeiro are valid considering the small number of volunteer sources he used. If he had subpoena power and unlimited resources he could have uncovered many more names.
As usual, a pretty good perspective from Mike Lupica of the New York Daily News. He says it's a "great day for baseball."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...4_mitchell_report_great_day_for_baseball.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...4_mitchell_report_great_day_for_baseball.html
Over to you, Roger!
Pettitte Admits to HGH Use in 2002
Yankees Pitcher Says He Used Human Growth Hormone for Elbow Injury
By Ben Walker
Associated Press
Saturday, December 15, 2007; 6:02 PM
NEW YORK -- Andy Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher admitted two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report.
Pettitte said he tried HGH on two occasions, stressing he did it to heal faster and not enhance his performance. He emphasized he never used steroids.
"If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days."
On Thursday, Pettitte was among 85 players named by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell's investigation into steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Pettitte had not commented publicly on the allegations.
Pettitte asked the trainer he shared with Roger Clemens, Brian McNamee, to help him with HGH while on the disabled list early in the season, the report said. McNamee recalled injecting Pettitte two to four times, Mitchell said.
"In 2002 I was injured. I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow," Pettitte said in the statement released to The Associated Press by agent Randy Hendricks.
"I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible. For this reason, and only this reason, for two days I tried human growth hormone. Though it was not against baseball rules, I was not comfortable with what I was doing, so I stopped.
"This is it -- two days out of my life; two days out of my entire career, when I was injured and on the disabled list," he said. "I wasn't looking for an edge. I was looking to heal."
Pettitte was not linked to steroids in the report, and said he never had never used them.
"I have the utmost respect for baseball and have always tried to live my life in a way that would be honorable," he said. "If I have let down people that care about me, I am sorry, but I hope that you will listen to me carefully and understand that two days of perhaps bad judgment should not ruin a lifetime of hard work and dedication.
"I have tried to do things the right way my entire life, and, again, ask that you put those two days in the proper context. People that know me will know that what I say is true," he said.
The 35-year-old lefty is 201-113 lifetime. He started his major league career in 1995 and won four World Series championships with the Yankees. He pitched for his hometown Houston Astros from 2004-06 and helped them reach their first World Series.
Pettitte returned to the Yankees last season and went 15-9. This month, he put off retirement and agreed to a $16 million, one-year contract to play for the Yankees next season.
Mitchell devoted 161/27 pages to McNamee's testimony about Pettitte. Clemens was mentioned on nearly nine pages, with McNamee saying he injected the star pitcher.
Clemens was accused of using steroids and HGH and, through his lawyer, vehemently denied the accusations.
When Clemens joined the Yankees in 1999, he and Pettitte became fast friends and training partners. McNamee was part of their regimen -- Clemens had worked with him in Toronto before being traded to New York.
According to the Mitchell Report, Pettitte asked McNamee about using HGH after the 2001 season, and the trainer said he discouraged the pitcher from trying it.
© 2007 The Associated Press
Pettitte Admits to HGH Use in 2002
Yankees Pitcher Says He Used Human Growth Hormone for Elbow Injury
By Ben Walker
Associated Press
Saturday, December 15, 2007; 6:02 PM
NEW YORK -- Andy Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher admitted two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report.
Pettitte said he tried HGH on two occasions, stressing he did it to heal faster and not enhance his performance. He emphasized he never used steroids.
"If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days."
On Thursday, Pettitte was among 85 players named by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell's investigation into steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Pettitte had not commented publicly on the allegations.
Pettitte asked the trainer he shared with Roger Clemens, Brian McNamee, to help him with HGH while on the disabled list early in the season, the report said. McNamee recalled injecting Pettitte two to four times, Mitchell said.
"In 2002 I was injured. I had heard that human growth hormone could promote faster healing for my elbow," Pettitte said in the statement released to The Associated Press by agent Randy Hendricks.
"I felt an obligation to get back to my team as soon as possible. For this reason, and only this reason, for two days I tried human growth hormone. Though it was not against baseball rules, I was not comfortable with what I was doing, so I stopped.
"This is it -- two days out of my life; two days out of my entire career, when I was injured and on the disabled list," he said. "I wasn't looking for an edge. I was looking to heal."
Pettitte was not linked to steroids in the report, and said he never had never used them.
"I have the utmost respect for baseball and have always tried to live my life in a way that would be honorable," he said. "If I have let down people that care about me, I am sorry, but I hope that you will listen to me carefully and understand that two days of perhaps bad judgment should not ruin a lifetime of hard work and dedication.
"I have tried to do things the right way my entire life, and, again, ask that you put those two days in the proper context. People that know me will know that what I say is true," he said.
The 35-year-old lefty is 201-113 lifetime. He started his major league career in 1995 and won four World Series championships with the Yankees. He pitched for his hometown Houston Astros from 2004-06 and helped them reach their first World Series.
Pettitte returned to the Yankees last season and went 15-9. This month, he put off retirement and agreed to a $16 million, one-year contract to play for the Yankees next season.
Mitchell devoted 161/27 pages to McNamee's testimony about Pettitte. Clemens was mentioned on nearly nine pages, with McNamee saying he injected the star pitcher.
Clemens was accused of using steroids and HGH and, through his lawyer, vehemently denied the accusations.
When Clemens joined the Yankees in 1999, he and Pettitte became fast friends and training partners. McNamee was part of their regimen -- Clemens had worked with him in Toronto before being traded to New York.
According to the Mitchell Report, Pettitte asked McNamee about using HGH after the 2001 season, and the trainer said he discouraged the pitcher from trying it.
© 2007 The Associated Press
Andy Pettitte.......
Well at least he owned up to it. More than we can say for some of the others like Bonds, Clemens, Palmeroid, Justice (who was on radio the other day swearing up and down it was a lie). If you did it, own it, don't freaking insult our intelligence (Bonds, Clemens).
Some of these guys may have had a legit reason for using something, to rehab an injury, etc. But the others, you're just a cheat and a fraud.
Well at least he owned up to it. More than we can say for some of the others like Bonds, Clemens, Palmeroid, Justice (who was on radio the other day swearing up and down it was a lie). If you did it, own it, don't freaking insult our intelligence (Bonds, Clemens).
Some of these guys may have had a legit reason for using something, to rehab an injury, etc. But the others, you're just a cheat and a fraud.
The Oracle
Pronouns: Who/Cares
The Oracle said:
You and me both. Not just the pitchers, but the hitters too. Guys like Frank Howard, Reggie Jackson and Mantle sure didn't need to ram a syringe into their asses to hit 500 foot bombs. Mick would just kill a bottle of JD with Billy Martin and Whitey Ford the night before. The 'roid era just makes old records and achievments look so insignificant.
guyroch said:..... I have seen highlights of him recently .... He must have been taking those steroids with a milk shake and fries ..
Well it looks like he has mentored Joba Chamberlain. That big old Nebraska farm boy likes to work fast so he can be first in line for the buffet table.
maurice93 said:
Selig has alot to answer for... but putting "the blame" on him is wrong.
"The Blame" goes to the players who cheated, the people who helped them cheat, the other players who did not blow the whistle, etc...... The fallout goes to Selig, the owners, etc...
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