The Mitchell Report

[blueline]

list

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton B radley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozz ie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Scott S c hoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Te j ada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood

I knew that HR he hit in the 2003 ALCS to beat the Red Sox was tainted. That game deserves an *****

I would expect the actual list to include more names. I am hearing a lot of others not on your list like Pettite, Knoblach, Grimsley, Glaus. The names in your list, well there are no suprises IMO and several we already know of. There will be more names.

 

[maurice93]

I wonder how much blame, if any, will be placed on the real culprit in this whole mess... Bud Selig.

Selig is the one who delayed having a testing policy, to allow the game to grow in the HR era.

Selig was the one who set up a half assed and totally ridiculous steroid policy in early 2000's...remember the one where you would only start getting suspended on the third strike... your name would not go public until the fourth strike. Ridiculous... Hey boys, wink, wink, don't use steroids now.

Only once under threat from the senate, did Selig finally put in a decent steroid policy.

It was Selig that tried to deflect as much of the issue to Bonds, rather then a baseball issue.

It was Selgi that was in charge of baseball throughout this mess, and his actions. negligence and ignorance are the #1 factors for this problem.

And that is why at the end of the day, I don't give a shit about the list. The problem was at the top... they encouraged cheating.

All I want is this statement, which is the truth

"the Primary reason for the steroid issue is the incompetence and ignorance of Bud Selig"

And since the report won't say that. it is absolutely worthless to me.

 

[blueline]

I wonder how much blame, if any, will be placed on the real culprit in this whole mess... Bud Selig.

Selig is the one who delayed having a testing policy, to allow the game to grow in the HR era.

Selig was the one who set up a half asses and totally ridiculous steroid policy.

It was Selig under threat from the senate, that finally put in a decent steroid policy.

It was Selig that tried to deflect as much of the issue to Bonds, rather then a baseball issue.

It was Selgi that was in charge of baseball throughout this mess, and his actions. negligence and ignore are the #1 factors for this problem.

Sure there was severla guys that used steroids... that was because Selig was not a hardass about it.

And that at the end of the day, I don't give a shit about the list.

All I want is this statement, which is the truth

"the Primary reason for the steroid issue is the incompetence and ignorance of Bud Selig"

And since the report won't say that. it is absolutely worthless to me.

While I agree Selig has to share the blame, don't forget he works for the owners who also have turned a blind eye. As for the testing policy, or lack thereof, the baseball union fought very hard against this. They felt it invaded their members privacy.

But yes, you are correct. Selig has to stand up and own it, along with Donald Fehr because the players are also to blame. They did it, they knew it was wrong, otherwise they wouldn't be hiding in bathroom stalls shooting up and buying roids from online dentists in Florida. If it wasn't so wrong, they would literally be shooting up in the batters box.

 

[Anderson]

* Brady Anderson , * Manny Alexander, * Rick Ankiel, * Jeff Bagwell, * Bar ry Bonds, * Aaron Boone, *Rafaeil Bettancourt, *Bret Boone, *Milton B radley, *David Bell, * Dante Bichette, * Albert Belle, * Paul Byrd, * Wil Cordero,* Ken Caminiti, * Mike Cameron, * Ramon Castro, *Jose and * Ozz ie Canseco, * Roger Clemens, *Paxton Crawford, *Wilson Delgado, *Lenn y Dykstra, *Johnny Damon, *Carl Everett, *Kyle Farnsoworth, *Ryan Fr anklin, *Scott S c hoenweiis, *David Segui, *Alex Sanchez, *Gary Sheffield, *Miguel Te j ada, *Julian Tavarez,*Fernando Tatis, * Maurice Vaughn, *Jason Varitek, *Ismael Valdez, *Matt Williams and *Kerry Wood

I thought I would make Anderson and Everyone happy by putting an asterik beside eveyone's name

Now that is very funny !!!

 

[maurice93]

Fernando Fatis was on steroids. Fucking fatass. Expos fans hated him when he came over from the Cards after 2000.

 

[RTRD]

Report is out...

...is there a confirmed list anywhere online?

You can find the report online, but it is 400 pages....

 

[blueline]

I am reading the 400 page report now. Some notable names

John Rocker, Gary Matthews Jr, Canseco, Matt Williams, Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus, Brendan Donnelly, Eric Gagne, Kevin Brown, Miguel Tejada, Mo Vaughan, Glenallen Hill, David Justice, Greg Zaun, Chuck Knoblauch, Andy Pettite, Roger Clemens, Brian Roberts, Jay Gibbons, Len Dykstra, Jason and Jeremy Giambi, Barry Bonds (NO WAY) ..........

 

[jwmorrice]

Here's the list...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...7-12-13_players_named_in_mitchell_report.html

Players named in Mitchell report

Thursday, December 13th 2007, 2:10 PM

A list of player names in the Mitchell report:

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estelella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui (via a cancelled check from Segui to Kirk Radomski)
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carrion
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
Frank Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ryan Franklin
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Paul Lo Duca
Todd Pratt
Miguel Tejada
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Paul Byrd
Troy Glaus
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendon Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoenweiss
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

 

[maurice93]

While I agree Selig has to share the blame, don't forget he works for the owners who also have turned a blind eye. As for the testing policy, or lack thereof, the baseball union fought very hard against this. They felt it invaded their members privacy.

But yes, you are correct. Selig has to stand up and own it, along with Donald Fehr because the players are also to blame. They did it, they knew it was wrong, otherwise they wouldn't be hiding in bathroom stalls shooting up and buying roids from online dentists in Florida. If it wasn't so wrong, they would literally be shooting up in the batters box.

No your right, the players association and Fehr deserve the same type of criticism.

At least the Mitchell report acknowledged that baseball did not care until 2002, which was obvious, but I did not think would be reported as suck.

 

[RTRD]

I can't say...

...any one listed is a TOTAL shocker.

You have guys who you feel like "ok, well that explains THAT" (the Gary Matthews Jr.'s), guys who you think "where there is smoke there is fire (the Miguel Tejada's) guys who you are not surprised by given the change in their physique or their approach to the game (the Lenny Dykstra's), and guys about whom this has already been established and they all but admitted it (the Gary Sheffield's). And of course a bunch of average or marginal and / or aging players who were just trying to hang on.

Clemens? he falls into the "ok, well that explains THAT" category.

Mild surprises? Pettitte for sure, but then again, he and Rocket were close. Mo Vaughn disappoints me...but doesn't really surprise me. Same for Matt Williams...though he was kinda known as a "fitness guy" as well.

Nobody here who I am about stunned to see, nor am I going to shed a tear over. Clemens is definitely the big fish....but I can't say I am surprised.

 

[blueline]

...any one listed is a TOTAL shocker.

You have guys who you feel like "ok, well that explains THAT" (the Gary Matthews Jr.'s), guys who you think "where there is smoke there is fire (the Miguel Tejada's) guys who you are not surprised by given the change in their physique or their approach to the game (the Lenny Dykstra's), and guys about whom this has already been established and they all but admitted it (the Gary Sheffield's). And of course a bunch of average or marginal and / or aging players who were just trying to hang on.

Clemens? he falls into the "ok, well that explains THAT" category.

Mild surprises? Pettitte for sure, but then again, he and Rocket were close. Mo Vaughn disappoints me...but doesn't really surprise me. Same for Matt Williams...though he was kinda known as a "fitness guy" as well.

Nobody here who I am about stunned to see, nor am I going to shed a tear over. Clemens is definitely the big fish....but I can't say I am surprised.

One could also look at Eric Gagne and link him the roids. He sure looked very sub-par in his stint with Boston and did not show much of that durability he did with the Dodgers.

Now, I wonder what the fallout will be down the road a few years. How will this affect how the BBWAA vote for Hall of Fame inductees. Will we see Clemens, Bonds, Tejada, perhaps a Gagne, etc be kept out much like McGwire? Some of these players named may sit back and say so what, it was worth it for me. But will it be worth it if it rips your accomplishments and taints your career?

 

[blueline]

Just a question ??? What would you do if your favorite baseball player is on the report ? ...

This becomes a moot point then since no prominent current Red Sox player was named. Told ya they were squeaky clean. As for Clemens, he was fine til he left Boston. Dam Yankees and Blue Jays poisoned his mind.

 

[RTRD]

Yeah...

One could also look at Eric Gagne and link him the roids. He sure looked very sub-par in his stint with Boston and did not show much of that durability he did with the Dodgers.

Now, I wonder what the fallout will be down the road a few years. How will this affect how the BBWAA vote for Hall of Fame inductees. Will we see Clemens, Bonds, Tejada, perhaps a Gagne, etc be kept out much like McGwire? Some of these players named may sit back and say so what, it was worth it for me. But will it be worth it if it rips your accomplishments and taints your career?

Gagne's name didn't stun me either. Big guy...with a pretty nothing MLB career going, suddenly is lights out...then, just a suddenly, is lights on. As in...discovers PEDs...then stops taking them when testing begins.

The Hall of Fame vote thing is a good question. I've always said Bonds would get my vote because he was a HOF guy before he touched PEDs...pre 1999 Barry Bonds was already the best all around player in the game. And I've heard many sportswriters say the same thing - that despite the PEDs and his general asshole-ish nature, Bonds gets in because he was in fact a hell of a player...not just HR hitter. That said, a felony conviction and a stint in the lockup could change that - it is about perception, and Bonds is running REAL LOW on good will.

Clemens? Not as clear cut. There is no clear PEDs demarcation like with Bonds. But...my thinking is...even if 150 of those wins are due to PEDs...that leaves 200+...and a World Series ring. Maybe you give him credit for 3 Cy Youngs instead of 7...he's probably still a HOFer.

Who this will hurt is a guy like Tejada. He has NOTHING on his CV that makes him a HOF guy except his hitting stats...no Glove Gloves, no World Series rings, no reputation as a beloved guy by teammates or sportswriters, one single MVP award, and years on a losing team. He was probably a marginal but in player before...now I'd say he has no chance.

 

[The Oracle]

Greg Zaun and Howie Clark for christsakes are you sure these steroids actually work?

 

[blueline]

Greg Zaun and Howie Clark for christsakes are you sure these steroids actually work?

Maybe that is what A-Rod was yelling as he approached Clark at third base on that pop up. He was saying "HAAA, you used roids? How'd that turn out for YAAA".

 

[blueline]

Something that bothers me ... Guys like Troy Glaus obtained their contract with numbers which were helped by cheating ... One of the players who were very coperative was our very own Frank Thomas ... He is clean and was proably pissed that he obtained his number the legal way and had to watch drugs being exchanged in the clubhouse.

Similar to what I stated in a post a while back on Rick Ankiel being a fraud. Everyone was quick to pat him on the back for his great comeback, the 'feel good story of the year'. Then word came out of his connection to HGH. Mitchell made reference in his report that many players who had not used PEDs were pissed that 'users' were getting ahead of them and taking away spots on MLB rosters. So while Ankiel was putting on his magic show, a minor league player missed a spot on the 40 man roster.

 

[blueline]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...7-12-13_players_named_in_mitchell_report.html

Players named in Mitchell report

Thursday, December 13th 2007, 2:10 PM

A list of player names in the Mitchell report:

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estelella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui (via a cancelled check from Segui to Kirk Radomski)
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carrion
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
Frank Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ryan Franklin
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Paul Lo Duca
Todd Pratt
Miguel Tejada
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Paul Byrd
Troy Glaus
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendon Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoenweiss
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

Seems to be some names missing?? I have seen lists with Sosa, McGwire, Palmero, Wally Joyner and Nomar Garciapara to name a few. You would think first three would have been a lock.

 

[RTRD]

Actually...

Seems to be some names missing?? I have seen lists with Sosa, McGwire, Palmero, Wally Joyner and Nomar Garciapara to name a few. You would think first three would have been a lock.

...I was just thinking the same thing.


Palmerio tested positive for PEDs, but swore he hd no idea that he had taken them, and volunteered that his positive may have come from something that Tejada gave him. Given that Tejada is on this list but Palmerio is not....does that lend credibility to Palmerio's story?

Remember, this isn't a list of who has tested positive, or who it is is speculated...it is a list of people that Mitchell...after two years and 30 million bucks...could find evidence on. Seems to almost make a case FOR Sosa, McGwire and Palmerio, doesn't it? I mean, if after all that effort they couldn't find a smoking gun on three guys you KNOW he went after?

 

[blueline]

Bud Selig's response .....

Did anyone watch Bud Lite's presser? Personally, I chose not to watch it because I have no use for the guy. Plus the fact that I didn't think he would say anything compelling.

Just watching the Bobcat on the Fan590/Sportsnet webcast and he pretty much convinced me that I didn't miss anything. Seems Selig just took his head out of the sand for a few minutes, said bascially nothing, then back in the sand his head went. No suprise there.

 

[kickitoldschool]

i love Bud...

"so ya, thanks Mitch for the hard work and I will get right on top of your recommendation as soon as I talk to the MLBPA in the "NEAR" future"

lol joker!!!