The Leafs Acquire Berehowsky...Again

[The Doctor]

I don't follow this logic Mr. Ferguson

 

[Ranger68]

Well, it's a small move, wouldn't you say?
Berehowsky's insurance for the playoffs. Jackman wasn't going to play, and has turned into more of a suspect than a prospect. He's almost 26 and has never had even a mediocre year in terms of defensive play. Sure, he can hit - and put himself out of position almost every time he does it.
This is a minor, minor move. Berehowsky has some immediate offensive upside.

 

[The Doctor]

I thought Jackman was doing fine and was good trade bait...but for this?

 

[Ranger68]

Jackman has a hideous plus-minus. What made you think he was good trade bait?

 

[Ranger68]

If it's the only trade he makes, feel free to be disappointed, but I really doubt it.
Hey, Gonchar's back on Thursday.

 

[JeremytheWicked]

Guess their looking for veteran defense with offensive potential. He has some physical attributes, too. You must KNOW that the playoffs are gonna be rough and tumble, and they are gonna grind down the teams as they go on, at least in the East.

Don't stop there, Fergie. Keep going and do a good move fpr this year, cuz Lord knoews what is gonna happen after the summer........

 

[hedway]

This trade pretty much guarantees the Cup for the Leafs...ya think?

 

[Ranger68]

He doesn't need to play a full season, just provide insurance for the playoffs, so his injury problems aren't all that big a deal.

 

[The Doctor]

If it's the only trade he makes, feel free to be disappointed...

I am. Jackman could skate, pass and hit and he was still young which is more than a lot of defensemen can claim. I don't know what Jackman's plus minus is but Berehowsky is -16

Edit: Jackman is -11

 

[hedway]

The purpose of this trade is just to remind fans that the Leafs actually have a general manager.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Thank you hedway....I was wondering the same thing.

 

[The Doctor]

This has nothing to do with Berehowsky and Jackman, this has everything to do with that guy hiding in the background who has the GM title. Maybe he stayed out in the sun a little too long yesterday.

I think the only people happy with this are the equipment managers who only have to sew Berehowsky over Jackman on all the #55 sweaters.

 

[Ranger68]

Jackman's plus-minus is -11 on a team with a net positive plus-minus total. Berehowsky's is -16 on one of the worst teams in the league. I'd hazard to say that Berehowsky's a far more polished defenseman that Jackman, at this point.
If Jack could skate and pass, rather than just possessing the ability, why wasn't he developing on the ice? He's played plenty over the last few years. He may turn into something, but I doubt it was going to be this year, with or without lots of ice time.
Berehowsky's played plenty over the last few years, too. He's not a huge physical presence, and never has been, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he's afraid of damaging his knee.
The comparison with Dempsey fails because Nathan proved himself at an NHL level. Quinn, for some reason, couldn't get his mind around such a smallish defenseman, and we lost a reasonable player.

Honestly, what's the problem here?? ......

 

[Cardinal Fang]

I'm tired of "minor deals." We are solid trade away from a Stanley Cup.

Get on with it!!!

 

[The Doctor]

Touche HoldenMagroin



OK I saw that coming. I was too pissed about the deal to be creative with the title. Maybe you're right, maybe I'm just too sensitive right now.

*takes 10 deep breaths*

Hey look at that Berehowsky's still -16 but my blood pressure's come down. Thanks Holden.

 

[JeremytheWicked]

Isn't everybody on Pittburgh possessing a minus-holy-crap stat?

 

[JeremytheWicked]

I'm really looking forward to the Antropov/Coliacovo for O'Neill/Boughner deal I heard about.

 

[The Doctor]

Berehowsky's played plenty over the last few years, too. He's not a huge physical presence, and never has been, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he's afraid of damaging his knee.
The comparison with Dempsey fails because Nathan proved himself at an NHL level. Quinn, for some reason, couldn't get his mind around such a smallish defenseman, and we lost a reasonable player.

Honestly, what's the problem here?? ......

I see some strong similarities between Jackman and Dempsey. Neither were allowed to play enough to show their value in Toronto. There's 6 years difference between Jackman and Berehowsky and one of them has a very beaten up body. The knee was injured when he was with Toronto the first time if I'm not mistaken. He's definitely on the downside so this better be part of a bigger plan.

*one, two, three...*

Jeremy: That trade I'd like to see.

 

[Ranger68]

Yeah, Jeremy, they are - LOL - it's indicative of TEAM defensive play, and Pittsburgh defends the net like the Maginot line defended France in WWII - namely, pretty poorly. Don't sweat Berehowsky's bad plus-minus. Or Gonchar's, for that matter, should we be looking at him.
Nobody's saying that he's Larry freakin' Robinson, but the guy knows what he's going out there, and he's got some offensive tools.
As for being sick of minor deals, it's a fair complaint if they're the only ones he makes ........ Big deals take time to develop ......

 

[Ranger68]

Ranger...Jackman should have at least been sent to St. Johns....he's wasting away..if Dempsy was so proven why did they let him go? they could sure use a proven dman "like him"? now..he hasnt been given the opportunity to get back....they are giving Andropov tons of time and its getting him nowhere fast.....i dont want to say Jackman is a future Norris trophy candidate but he's alot better i think than Berg or the way Marchment has been or not been playing. his +- sucks...granted but he was showing huge potential at the beginning with tons of confidence. Crushed now..too bad i say

Jackman needn't have gone to St. John's, as he was traded. Hey, we got fair value for him.

Dempsey was far from proven - he put up some interesting numbers in very litmited playing time and never played himself out of a job with the big club. The problem was that, no matter how well he played up or down, Quinn didn't like him - thought he wasn't big enough, not enough of a defensive presence. Hey, it happens sometimes. I think it was a bad move - not a *terrible* move, but a bad one. He had a chance to move on, and he did - good for him. In the final analysis, Pat's gotta have faith in the guys he's putting out there.

I think it's going a bit far to say Jackman's been crushed. He's had opportunities at the pro level and hasn't impressed anyone very much. Say what you want about the play of Berg and Marchment, Jackman's defensive play was an order of magnitude worse this season. The Leafs, with money in both Aki and March, weren't likely to sit either - especially since both have significant playoff experience.

Antropov's doing just fine - I'm not sure what you mean he's doing nothing. Injury problems aside, when he plays, he contributes plenty. ... ??? ......