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Only there isn't actual evidence they have done so.
Except for the tweet above.
I know, you will say donating $20 million doesn't mean they will 'own' the candidate and of course, technically you are correct.
That they could have just been spending that much to make sure that Omar wasn't reelected and that they would have had no expectations that the $20 million might influence their views on genocide and apartheid.

And in that trump/ray cohn/ mob mentality you would be correct, there would be no way to definitely prove such a thing.
But you'd also have to be naive to expect that the $20 million was totally strings free.
 

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Except for the tweet above.
I know, you will say donating $20 million doesn't mean they will 'own' the candidate and of course, technically you are correct.
That they could have just been spending that much to make sure that Omar wasn't reelected and that they would have had no expectations that the $20 million might influence their views on genocide and apartheid.

And in that trump/ray cohn/ mob mentality you would be correct, there would be no way to definitely prove such a thing.
But you'd also have to be naive to expect that the $20 million was totally strings free.
"One issue" donors don't need to own anything but support on their one issue. It's pathetic...
 

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Both the top-ranking House Democrat, Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, and the top-ranking Republican, Speaker Mike Johnson, counted the Israel lobby as their top donor in the 2022 cycle. (In that midterms cycle, pro-Israel lobbyist groups and individuals contributed over $30 million to congressional candidates.)
 
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Only there isn't actual evidence they have done so.
But they're Jews so Franky is convinced it must be an Israeli plot. AIPAC must be working for Israel because Jews must not be loyal to their own country and it can't be possible that some Americans are simply lobbying for policies they want America to have.

And another case where a right wing anti-semitic conspiracy theory gets endorsed by Frank if they simply use the word "Israel".
 

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Except for the tweet above.
I know, you will say donating $20 million doesn't mean they will 'own' the candidate and of course, technically you are correct.
A donor offered it.
That isn't AIPAC.

He may be a donor to AIPAC and have similar goals, but you framing it as AIPAC tried to buy a politician, shouldn't that be a bigger deal is forgetting that individual mega-rich donors offering to bankroll candidates is common in the US system.
It's fucked up, but there isn't "more interest" because "rich guy offers a candidate lots of money" is a dog bites man story.
 
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But they're Jews so Franky is convinced it must be an Israeli plot. AIPAC must be working for Israel because Jews must not be loyal to their own country and it can't be possible that some Americans are simply lobbying for policies they want America to have.

And another case where a right wing anti-semitic conspiracy theory gets endorsed by Frank if they simply use the word "Israel".
I didn't even bother getting into the "AIPAC should have to register with FARA" thing.
 

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But they're Jews so Franky is convinced it must be an Israeli plot. AIPAC must be working for Israel because Jews must not be loyal to their own country and it can't be possible that some Americans are simply lobbying for policies they want America to have.

And another case where a right wing anti-semitic conspiracy theory gets endorsed by Frank if they simply use the word "Israel".
AIPAC should be labelled as foreign lobbyists.
Why do you have a problem with that?
 

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A donor offered it.
That isn't AIPAC.

He may be a donor to AIPAC and have similar goals, but you framing it as AIPAC tried to buy a politician, shouldn't that be a bigger deal is forgetting that individual mega-rich donors offering to bankroll candidates is common in the US system.
It's fucked up, but there isn't "more interest" because "rich guy offers a candidate lots of money" is a dog bites man story.
Two people were offered money they say came from AIPAC to run against Tlaib.
Both donations would have come through the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, with $10 million in contributions to their campaigns and $10 million in independent expenditures.

Its not a big deal that rich people buy politicians in the US, even though its totally messed up.
It should be a big deal when lobbyists representing another country try to buy a politician to put up someone less critical of their country.

There was a big stink here about China possibly funding a conservative candidate, this goes way further.
 
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