The exodus from the left

[richaceg]

The people backing the elite billionaires who could care less about them are the easiest marks around.

that's just you fantasy thinking everyone backs billionaires...how undemocratic of you if you think a guy who worked hard to become rich should just give some of his money to a guy who didn't do shit.

 

[rhuarc29]

ain't fun when 2 can play the game?

It wasn't fun when ONE was playing the game. It's worse now with two. All the grown-ups have left the room. Which is really damn sad when it comes to running countries and ruling over people's lives.

 

[richaceg]

It wasn't fun when ONE was playing the game. It's worse now with two. All the grown-ups have left the room. Which is really damn sad when it comes to running countries and ruling over people's lives.

Meh, the left just don't like the taste of their own medicine that's all...they expect everyone to just sit and take it when they were doing it...

 

[Frankfooter]

that's just you fantasy thinking everyone backs billionaires...how undemocratic of you if you think a guy who worked hard to become rich should just give some of his money to a guy who didn't do shit.

I guess you just don't understand basic concepts like 'taxes', 'progressive taxation' or community.
Instead you'll gladly back the guy who can set the rules on how much you pay on everything however they like and you will celebrate how much more you pay and how much richer they get.

carry on

 

[K Douglas]

Chuck Schumer
Nancy Pelosi
Gavin Newsome
Cory Booker
Pete Buttigeig
Joe Biden
Barack Obama
Kamala Harris

OK lets start with current sitting Dems.
In the U.S. Senate Cory Booker has the 10th most liberal voting record and Chuck Schumer the 23rd most according to Progressive Punch. There are currently 47 Dem/Ind US Senators. Verdict: not mainstream/moderate centrist

ProgressivePunch: Senate Members by score / All issues

ProgressivePunch is a searchable database of Congressional voting records, from a Progressive perspective.

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In the U.S. House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi has the 76th most liberal voting record. That is out of 214 current Democrats sitting. Verdict: not mainstream/moderate centrist

ProgressivePunch: House Members by score / All issues

ProgressivePunch is a searchable database of Congressional voting records, from a Progressive perspective.

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When Kamala Harris sat in the US Senate from 2017-2020 she had one of the most liberal voting records. Verdict: not mainstream/moderate centrist

When Barack Obama sat in the US Senate he was one of the most liberal voting Senators. In 2007, the year before he was running for POTUS, he was the most liberal senator. His background is from far left. Now as President he had to moderate himself a bit because the Republicans held the House post 2010. Verdict: definitely not mainstream/moderate.

Joe Biden for years was considered a moderate but he changed when he became Obama's VP. And under his Presidency the party swung further to the left. Mostly because he was senile and couldn't handle the day to day rigors of the job.

Gavin Newsom, the current Governor of California, is not a moderate by any stretch. He's ruined the state with extremely 'progressive' policies. He is contemplating a run however so he's trying to distance himself from that position.

Pete Buttigeig. Not sure I would call him a high profile Democrat but his views aren't mainstream. He's a woke Liberal 'progressive' who attempts to make himself look like a moderate. When he was younger his goal was to rebrand the party away from the Bill Clinton moderate years.

So who do I think are some of the moderate voices left in the Democratic Party. Not many but I would say Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Maggie Hassan, Sen. Mark Warner seem like reasonable people you can negotiate with. Heck even Sen. John Fetterman is acting more reasonably than his fellow Democrats.

 

[Frankfooter]

Meh, the left just don't like the taste of their own medicine that's all...they expect everyone to just sit and take it when they were doing it...

What medicine are you talking about?
Tylenol?
Hydroxychloriquine?
Brain worms?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

she had one of the most liberal voting records.
he was one of the most liberal voting Senators.
He's a woke Liberal 'progressive'

Declaring someone as "woke", "progressive", "one of the most liberal" etc is meaningless, if you are intellectually dishonest about what you call woke, liberal or progressive.

 

[rhuarc29]

Meh, the left just don't like the taste of their own medicine that's all...they expect everyone to just sit and take it when they were doing it...

I agree, but that doesn't mean it's good, or that I like it either.

 

[Frankfooter]

Oops, he pissed off another part of MAGA.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1976668333539021140

 

[JohnLarue]

Oh, I guess I need to rebut this right-wing fantasy bullshit that Johnny boy seems to think is legit...Which is just plain sad.

you are the sad one

Calling the U.S. Green New Deal “fantasy nonsense” misses the point (I know I'm shocked since this is coming from you, a person who makes so many good-faith arguments....). The plan isn’t a dream, it’s a bold response to the climate crisis and a way to create jobs while protecting the planet.

it was fantasy nonsense and had/ has zero chance of succeeding
if you had any understanding of energy requirements you would have instantly recognised the green new deal as complete “fantasy nonsense”

a bold response to a non problem at best
a bold response to a left promoted propaganda problem at worst

Only the Extreme Right would say something as stupid as this. I mean, seriously? Who the hell called for open boarders? I mean, in your MAGA fantasy world, maybe. But in reality, nobody on the majority left has ever said anything like that. Now, in Canada there was an increase in immigration that was handled poorly, but it was not an open boarder. Again, you are delusional.

are you sniffing glue ?
just because no loonie left politicians labelled it as open boarders dos not mean that open boarders was not their policy
and it most certainly was

its been in all the news , we had uncontrolled immigration legal and otherwise
>>>>> open boarders

i suppose you somehow think Bidden' ridiculously named inflation reduction act was not inflationary ??

Are we talking about Canada or the US here? Because Mango Mussolini blew up the US Deficit and debt. Now, if we talk about Canada, Harper started a trend when he was elected and we saw a surge in government spending, after inheriting an economy from the Liberals with balanced budgets. He was trying to reduce it, but the majority of his budgets were in the red. And, last I checked....that was 15 years ago.

both the us and Canada govts finances were destroyed by the loonie left

steven Harper had a plan to get back to balance which he executed

besides

Oh, great, more culture war bullshit. I mean, I really hate to burst your bigot bubble, but Major medical organizations, including the American Medical Association (AMA), American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American Psychiatric Association (APA) endorse evidence-based, age-appropriate gender-affirming care. Ignoring the problem probably causes more harm to children, but I guess you'd rather see them kill themselves then live as another gender. Which....I guess is an extremist right-wing view, so maybe that is spot on. I should also point out that you apparently believe populist rhetoric instead of science....I mean, you have already shown you support of anti-climate change evidence.

like i said

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

Yeah, it's amazing how quickly the extreme right embraced fascism....Oh, wait. Sorry. Where are the mainstream leftists who support Hamas? Calling people who support Palestinians “terrorist supporters” ignores how complex the conflict really is. Fifteen years ago, most discussions about Israel and Hamas focused on security and US policy. Now, more people are speaking out about human rights and the suffering in Gaza. Supporting peace and justice for Palestinians doesn’t mean supporting Hamas, it means wanting an end to violence on both sides. But, I know being a righty means having no ability to see nuance, everything MUST be in black or white...

too funny
Palestinians chose Hamas,
Supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean supporting Hamas,
there will be no peace so long as Hamas is armed and in power

Why does the extreme right have a gun fetish? Do you masterbate to back issues of Guns & Ammo? Now, does this program lower crime? Maybe. One way criminals acquire guns in Canada is threw theft, stealing them from lawful gun owners. The other is smuggling them up from the US. Now, we can wax and wane about gun violence, and how jurisdictions with strict gun laws see virtually no mass shootings, but I understand that for you, preventing something that hasn't happened is a waste of money...I should also point out that in Canada, you have no right to own a firearm. It is regulated. We are not the US (though I know how much you probably long to join them) and have to history of widespread gun ownership. Or mass shootings for the most part....

hunters and farmers do not commit mass shootings
like i said

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

Bail and sentencing rules are shaped by laws, court decisions, and evidence about what works—not just political ideology. And, while the federal government creates the laws, it is the provinces that control the administration of justice, including the bail system. Sounds like you might like to take this up with Doug Ford. Also, what the fuck are you talking about, reducing sentences for violent crime? That just hasn't happened. I know you live in right-wing fantasy land, but WTF? Now, yes, violent crime is rising in Canada. But, to blame that on anybody is pretty fucking stup--..er, I forgot who I was rebutting....Also, statistics show violent crime was rising during Harper's time as PM. Does he get a pass because he's Conservative?

violent crime is increasing in Canada
make the penalties harsher, not easier

WTF are you talking about? Is it the CBC or could it be Post Media, which controls the most papers across this country? I honestly don't know how to even respond to you, since you are clearly living in fantasy land. Are you going to say that the Liberal plan giving subsidies to media orgs has stopped them from reporting on them? I seem to recall both the CBC, the Star and National Post crucifying Trudeau for his several missteps. I mean, how did you hear about them? Smoke signals from other silly extremist righties? Like, honestly, it is so exhausting talking to someone who just makes up bullshit as he goes, and obviously has no idea what the fuck he's saying...but says it with full conviction. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in real time. Oh, wait that's science, so you probably won't believe it...

yeah ok
only an idiot did not see the corruption of CBC by the liberals

and you claim not to blindly follow a specific political party

LOL

Really? I hate to burst your bubble (actually, I doubt you'll even read this) but the right is the ones that force their beliefs on everyone. Abortion? Nope, the righties are the ones that decide what someone can do with their bodies, unironically....The extremist right has been responsible for virtually all the political violence in the US over the past 30 years. From the Oklahoma City bombings to so many mass shootings and assassinations (or attempted assassinations) or left-leaning politicians. That is evil. The fact that the right wants to strip away rights from people is evil. Denying healthcare or food assistance to kids is evil.

hmm

The fact that the right wants to strip away rights from people is evil.

the emergency's act, and freezing of bank accounts, confiscating hunter and farmers rifles, EV mandates , control of online information
The fact that the right left wants to strip away rights from people is evil.


like i said

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

We are progressive.

i though you claimed you do not have blind allegiance to a political party

btw

We are progressive.

you are idiots

We are constantly dragging our slower, less intelligent brethren on the right into the future.

the progressives dragged our economy to a halt

We don't believe in the Extreme Right's regressive ideology, which wants to see black people and women out of power, or working in the back.

the lonnie left's last resort, play the race card

So, go and pretend that you have any clue as to what the fuck you just spewed out above. You are clueless. That is not up for debate. You are only good at regurgitating right-wing talking points and culture war outrage. This is why nobody really gives a flying fuck to what you put up here.

[/QUOTE]

you certainty did

you are a clown show and you are not fooling anyone
the left screwed up everything they touched and now are starting to see an exodus

you pretending to be a objective centralist (Holy Fuck that was ridiculous) but you will be the left without a chair when the music stops
standing there like a dummy wondering why it all fell apart

here is a hint for you
it all fell apart because the loonie left ideology is flawed at its core

 

[Knuckle Ball]

OK lets start with current sitting Dems.
In the U.S. Senate Cory Booker has the 10th most liberal voting record and Chuck Schumer the 23rd most according to Progressive Punch. There are currently 47 Dem/Ind US Senators. Verdict: not mainstream/moderate centrist

ProgressivePunch: Senate Members by score / All issues

ProgressivePunch is a searchable database of Congressional voting records, from a Progressive perspective.

progressivepunch.org

In the U.S. House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi has the 76th most liberal voting record. That is out of 214 current Democrats sitting. Verdict: not mainstream/moderate centrist

ProgressivePunch: House Members by score / All issues

ProgressivePunch is a searchable database of Congressional voting records, from a Progressive perspective.

progressivepunch.org

When Kamala Harris sat in the US Senate from 2017-2020 she had one of the most liberal voting records. Verdict: not mainstream/moderate centrist

When Barack Obama sat in the US Senate he was one of the most liberal voting Senators. In 2007, the year before he was running for POTUS, he was the most liberal senator. His background is from far left. Now as President he had to moderate himself a bit because the Republicans held the House post 2010. Verdict: definitely not mainstream/moderate.

Joe Biden for years was considered a moderate but he changed when he became Obama's VP. And under his Presidency the party swung further to the left. Mostly because he was senile and couldn't handle the day to day rigors of the job.

Gavin Newsom, the current Governor of California, is not a moderate by any stretch. He's ruined the state with extremely 'progressive' policies. He is contemplating a run however so he's trying to distance himself from that position.

Pete Buttigeig. Not sure I would call him a high profile Democrat but his views aren't mainstream. He's a woke Liberal 'progressive' who attempts to make himself look like a moderate. When he was younger his goal was to rebrand the party away from the Bill Clinton moderate years.

So who do I think are some of the moderate voices left in the Democratic Party. Not many but I would say Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Maggie Hassan, Sen. Mark Warner seem like reasonable people you can negotiate with. Heck even Sen. John Fetterman is acting more reasonably than his fellow Democrats.

So do you believe the Dems are shifting further to the Left?

 

[Frankfooter]

you are a clown show and you are not fooling anyone
the left screwed up everything they touched and now are starting to see an exodus

The left?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1976670979054002409

 

[sexdoctor]

On the topic of "what is centrist", I dont think that's changed.

Ive always been center left leaning in that I believe in fiscal responsibility, I believe immigration is critical BUT it needs to be merit based (how it used to be in canada pre-2020). I believe all people deserve respect/dignity as a human BUT that doesn't mean there views should be imposed on majority. I also believe in the traditional household system as still critical and core part of societal growth and that climate change is 100% real BUT the solutions need to come without hurting traditional energy (like make green technology cheaper and incentives R&D into it but dont make gas more expensive just to force it).

Now what is causing issues for me is, the far right is pushing for closing boards and immigration not on merit but more on race/culture (European is better than African sort of thing). The far left is pushing minority views on majority and saying how criminals needs equal rights to law abiding citizens or that we should hire to hire %'s of certain minority groups in corporations vs just hire the best.

The right fights for guns for all and still refuses to accept common sense reform measures (in the US) while the extreme left pushes for transgender people to play in women's sports when there is clear advantages and disadvantages to women.

That being said, its never bad to have a few years of a far left and far right person in power, as that is sometimes also good to move society forward, but it needs to be slowly.

 

[silentkisser]

you are the sad one



it was fantasy nonsense and had/ has zero chance of succeeding
if you had any understanding of energy requirements you would have instantly recognised the green new deal as complete “fantasy nonsense”

a bold response to a non problem at best
a bold response to a left promoted propaganda problem at worst



are you sniffing glue ?
just because no loonie left politicians labelled it as open boarders dos not mean that open boarders was not their policy
and it most certainly was

its been in all the news , we had uncontrolled immigration legal and otherwise
>>>>> open boarders

i suppose you somehow think Bidden' ridiculously named inflation reduction act was not inflationary ??





both the us and Canada govts finances were destroyed by the loonie left

steven Harper had a plan to get back to balance which he executed

besides
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like i said

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

too funny
Palestinians chose Hamas,
Supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean supporting Hamas,
there will be no peace so long as Hamas is armed and in power



hunters and farmers do not commit mass shootings
like i said

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

violent crime is increasing in Canada
make the penalties harsher, not easier



yeah ok
only an idiot did not see the corruption of CBC by the liberals

and you claim not to blindly follow a specific political party




hmm

the emergency's act, and freezing of bank accounts, confiscating hunter and farmers rifles, EV mandates , control of online information
The fact that the right left wants to strip away rights from people is evil.


like i said

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

i though you claimed you do not have blind allegiance to a political party

btw

you are idiots


the progressives dragged our economy to a halt



the lonnie left's last resort, play the race card

you certainty did

you are a clown show and you are not fooling anyone
the left screwed up everything they touched and now are starting to see an exodus

you pretending to be a objective centralist (Holy Fuck that was ridiculous) but you will be the left without a chair when the music stops
standing there like a dummy wondering why it all fell apart

here is a hint for you
it all fell apart because the loonie left ideology is flawed at its core
[/QUOTE]
John, I feel sad for you. You really think you're smart, when everything you've said is really just sad, ignorant bullshit. You should emigrate to the US. Your level of stupidity there might make you look like you're in Mensa. But, for anyone who can think critically and independently, you just regurgitate the same old bullshit.

 

[Intrinsic]

like i said

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

i though you claimed you do not have blind allegiance to a political party

btw

you are idiots


the progressives dragged our economy to a halt



the lonnie left's last resort, play the race card

The woke stuff, the economy and the race card got tiring for many who were left of centre liberals. That I've been hearing a lot of and again, it's not just white people, it's Black, Asian, Spanish Canadians, all with families, strong family values, of Christian faith, some no faith but still, they weren't down with the "woke" stuff. So they progressives pushed a lot of them to the conservative camp. It backfired for them.

 

[JohnLarue]

John, I feel sad for you. You really think you're smart, when everything you've said is really just sad, ignorant bullshit. You should emigrate to the US. Your level of stupidity there might make you look like you're in Mensa. But, for anyone who can think critically and independently, you just regurgitate the same old bullshit.

look

the loonie left experiment in Canada was run.
It failed miserably and the full pain of the failed experiment will felt by Canadians for generations


its not my fault you are unable to recognize a failed experiment.
too bad/ so sad that your blind adherence to the failed ideology is the real reason you are unable recognize the failed experiment.

now pay attention

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

forcing others to live a failed experiment is most certainly evil

 

[Frankfooter]

look

the loonie left experiment in Canada was run.
It failed miserably and the full pain of the failed experiment will felt by Canadians for generations


its not my fault you are unable to recognize a failed experiment.
too bad/ so sad that your blind adherence to the failed ideology is the real reason you are unable recognize the failed experiment.

now pay attention

• the ultra evil part was the loonie left insisting their nonsense would be forced onto others

forcing others to live a failed experiment is most certainly evil

Argentina is the failed experiment you want to try here.

 

[bver_hunter]

Shift from the Left? Really!!

Trump gets SHOCKING NEWS as GOP lose CRUCIAL SEAT:

When a safe MAGA seat gets flipped so easily, then no wonder that Trump and his cronies will try to blame the Democrats for the Shutdown!!

 

[Frankfooter]

This is what the right does.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1976778150102368639

 

[K Douglas]

Declaring someone as "woke", "progressive", "one of the most liberal" etc is meaningless, if you are intellectually dishonest about what you call woke, liberal or progressive.

Do you believe that woke, progressive policies are mainstream centrist? Policies like giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses and healthcare. Policies like allowing biological men to compete in women's sports. Policies like cashless bail for repeat offenders. Policies surrounding the philosophy of DEI. Policies like changing sports team names i.e Redskins and Indians so as to show sensitivity to perceived marginalized groups.