The election litigation thread
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This has nothing to do with ballots/voter fraud...I'd be interested in both sides of the story...
Just wanted to make sure you didn’t miss this...imagine if it was a Democrat...
New report reveals Lindsey Graham sought to have a GOP official throw out 'legally cast ballots'
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger, who oversees the state's elections, gave a disturbing interview to the Washington Post on Monday and described an extensive and unsettling pressure campaign by Republicans upset that President Donald Trump lost.Most notably, Raffensberger revealed...
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That lasted about as long as one your typical arguments.
Trump Supporters Lose Dominion Conspiracy Lawsuit in Michigan | Law & Crime
Backers of President Donald Trump attempted to block certification of the vote in the Wolverine State based on a debunked conspiracy theory that voting machines in Detroit are the reason the incumbent so decisively lost the election in Michigan—and nationwide. It took the Michigan Court of...
They said it was a “three sentence dismissal.”That lasted about as long as one your typical arguments.
Trump Supporters Lose Dominion Conspiracy Lawsuit in Michigan | Law & Crime
Backers of President Donald Trump attempted to block certification of the vote in the Wolverine State based on a debunked conspiracy theory that voting machines in Detroit are the reason the incumbent so decisively lost the election in Michigan—and nationwide. It took the Michigan Court of...lawandcrime.com
1-What is wrong with you people?
2-You are out of your mind!
3-Get the fuck out and go home...
This case wasn't being managed by the Trump team. It was brought by private litigants. You can assume that they had not marshalled the volume of evidence that Trump's attorneys have stated is in their possession.
Judges need something to hang their hat on. However, what's different about this issue is that it is a claim that the voting machines/software are objectively unreliable. That can be established WITHOUT proving the degree to which votes were miscounted (as an example, it can be proved by expert analysis of the system and its IT vulnerabilities). If a court were to accept that proposition alone, the proper remedy is, at minimum, an audit of the ability of the machines to accurately count ballots and the vulnerability of the system to manual or algorithm based adjustment of the voting tallies. If the latter is established, the next step is evaluate whether there are logs that are capable of irrefutably establishing whether such adjustments actually took place.
It's up the litigants to get a judge to understand that this is a multi-staged process of challenge, and if they failed to do so, the failure is on them. However, the media is doing the public no favours by misdescribing the process that will play out, and the proof that must be produced at each phase of the process. When an important and controversial legal issue is at stake, it's not unusual for litigants to require a few stabs at the same issue before they formulate a succesful legal theory that the court can act upon. If the courts are going to bite at any challenges, its going to be challenges organized by the Trump team. Don't take too much from an independent stab at the issue.
Much of the Trump team quit to salvage their reputations. Otherwise, in most US states the vote has to be certified in order to challenge it. And it was repub state lawmakers who slowed this down by not permitting mail in ballot vote counting until after election day.
To challenge, a litigant has to have grounds for bringing his or her case. That will trigger the next phase. Otherwise i can call anyone a pedophile, or corrupt, and hence trigger an investigation. A magistrate will ask "on what basis are you making this charge/complaint?" Saying "some guy on TV said so" is not sufficient. Neither is "the vote matched the pre election polling". Civil law may vary in different states/countries however so I can be corrected on this.
In Oz if 13 of these cases were thrown out as what happened the dems could get a magistrate judgement labelling the repubs as vexatious litigants thus they could not bring any complaints unless they go through a mini grand jury (magistrate alone in this case) to prove to the magistrate that there are reasonable grounds for a case. Also in Aussie civil law, if you lose, you pay all costs - court and defendant's costs, including legal fees.
To challenge, a litigant has to have grounds for bringing his or her case. That will trigger the next phase. Otherwise i can call anyone a pedophile, or corrupt, and hence trigger an investigation. A magistrate will ask "on what basis are you making this charge/complaint?" Saying "some guy on TV said so" is not sufficient. Neither is "the vote matched the pre election polling". Civil law may vary in different states/countries however so I can be corrected on this.
In Oz if 13 of these cases were thrown out as what happened the dems could get a magistrate judgement labelling the repubs as vexatious litigants thus they could not bring any complaints unless they go through a mini grand jury (magistrate alone in this case) to prove to the magistrate that there are reasonable grounds for a case. Also in Aussie civil law, if you lose, you pay all costs - court and defendant's costs, including legal fees.
The problem with your case is that there is nothing to back it up.
The only fraud being exposed is in the GOP, where they are trying to mess with the results.
Brad Raffensperger: Lindsey Graham Wanted Lawful Votes Thrown Out | Law & Crime
Since President-elect Joe Biden decisively won the presidential election, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has pushed baseless claims that massive voter fraud could have kept outgoing President Donald Trump from securing a second term. He even conspiratorially suggested that no Republicans will be...
It sounds like these were a lot of the issues that Sidney Powell claims...she better hope that the 'private litigants' aren't her witnesses.
This should up the entertainment value some, Rudy is making a guest appearance in court today in Pennsylvania.
If I were Powell, I'd start with the governmental reviews, like that of Texas, which rejected the use of the Dominion equipment and software based on specific identifiable IT security concerns. I don't think a court is going to able to dismiss those out of hand. Then I'd move to the expert statistical analysis which suggests anomalies, all in centres that produced very heavy Democrat votes that were counted late in the process. Only last of all would I move through what will undoubtedly be dozens (if not hundreds) of affidavits from individuals who either observed election anomalies or were denied the lawful opportunity to observe the counting process.
Unless the criticisms of the Dominion systems are unwarranted (and I think that's unlikely, given the number of states which rejected their equipment and systems for this reason), it would be tough for a reasonable person to have complete confidence in the accuracy of the counts. Will courts decide the public is only entitled to have elections that are "mostly accurate"? We shall see!
This is a classic case against a defendants holding public office who are being accused of hiding the evidence. There are different standards of proof applicable in such circumstances.
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Yes, they should investigate and find out why Biden only won 306 votes when he was polling about 8-9% higher than Trump.
Clearly the GOP was up to dirty tricks as we keep seeing through these investigations.
Likely the senate races that the GOP won are suspect as well.
Yes, your claims are S.
My post contains more common sense and evidence then your entire posts on this thread.
No evidence...affidavits signed by dishonest people mean nothing...they can try using Dominion software as the scapegoat but...
Fact check: Dominion voting machines didn't delete votes from Trump, switch them to Biden
Some news sources claimed vote counting software from Dominion Voting Systems deleted votes for Trump or switched votes to Biden. That's false.
www.usatoday.com
Affidavits ARE evidence on a motion for interim or pre-trial relief.No evidence...affidavits signed by dishonest people mean nothing...they can try using Dominion software as the scapegoat but...
Fact check: Dominion voting machines didn't delete votes from Trump, switch them to Biden
Some news sources claimed vote counting software from Dominion Voting Systems deleted votes for Trump or switched votes to Biden. That's false.
"Discrepancies" cause Clark County, Nevada (the locus of Trump team election suspicions in that state) to order a re-vote in a close Commission race.
thenevadaindependent.com
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Just a question of how much fire.
Clark County calls for re-vote in commission race decided by 10 ballots; discrepancies outnumber victory margin - The Nevada Independent
Ballot discrepancies prompted a special election in District C as they exceeded the 10-vote margin of victory for Democrat Ross Miller. Read more.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Just a question of how much fire.
I think it is irresponsible to simply claim that something is wrong with Texas.
Texas didn't certify the Dominion machines, as Dutch Oven says.
It isn't like there is another major voting machine company based in Texas named Hart Intercivic that is in third place in voting machine sales behind Dominion.
It isn't like Hart Intercivic has been the source of multiple complaints of changing votes in previous elections.
I mean, that would be crazy, right?
Texas has a long history of problems with Hart eSlate voting machines | TechCrunch
During early voting in some Texas counties, a handful of voters reported seeing their straight-ticket votes changed to endorse the opposing party. Others
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