The election litigation thread

Dutch Oven

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Looks like the Trump campaign is about to challenge the security of the voting machines, software, and databases:


This is for those who wanted to know what the fraud component of the challenges would entail.
 

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Looks like the Trump campaign is about to challenge the security of the voting machines, software, and databases:


This is for those who wanted to know what the fraud component of the challenges would entail.
 

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Looks like the Trump campaign is about to challenge the security of the voting machines, software, and databases:


This is for those who wanted to know what the fraud component of the challenges would entail.
The irony of the people who prevented fixing the security of the voting machines, software, and databases challenging it now is off the charts.
 

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The CISA statement is worth virtually nothing, because CISA doesn't claim to have audited the 2020 election held in any state, and because the statement doesn't respond to the specific security concerns outlined in the statement by counsel.

This is a juicy one, and it could take quite a while to even present all of the evidence (based on what counsel says about its volume) to a court.

This lawyer acted for General Flynn. She's no lightweight.
 

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The irony of the people who prevented fixing the security of the voting machines, software, and databases challenging it now is off the charts.
I've yet to see a lawsuit determined on the basis of irony. Besides, the Trump campaign is the litigant, and they had no say in the election hardware and software used in any state election.
 

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I've yet to see a lawsuit determined on the basis of irony.
You are quite right. Wasn't the point of my statement.

Besides, the Trump campaign is the litigant, and they had no say in the election hardware and software used in any state election.
No idea if that's true, since kicking back to make sure software owned by people who support Republicans is certainly possible.
Of course, they will not be filing suits in those states, so we won't hear about it.

The real question is whether the suit is going to be "We submit that the computers and databases are insufficiently secure" or "We have evidence of tampering".

Because if it is the first they might be in for a rough ride.
 

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The CISA statement is worth virtually nothing, because CISA doesn't claim to have audited the 2020 election held in any state, and because the statement doesn't respond to the specific security concerns outlined in the statement by counsel.

This is a juicy one, and it could take quite a while to even present all of the evidence (based on what counsel says about its volume) to a court.

This lawyer acted for General Flynn. She's no lightweight.
She won't be enough.

She say's there is overwhelming evidence that the voting machines had a glich that turned votes from Trump to Biden...the CISA calls that claim nonsense.
 

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I've yet to see a lawsuit determined on the basis of irony. Besides, the Trump campaign is the litigant, and they had no say in the election hardware and software used in any state election.
No not irony but anybody can file a lawsuit for any reason... sharpiegate was fun.
 

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She won't be enough.

She say's there is overwhelming evidence that the voting machines had a glich that turned votes from Trump to Biden...the CISA calls that claim nonsense.
No, you're confusing the statements of the host and her guest. The host thought the issue was software glitches, as had occured in Michigan and Georgia. The guest made it clear that it went way beyond that. She stated that criminal investigations were warranted. She spoke about the ability to purposely switch votes, either manually or by algorithm, not about human error or software processing malfunction.
 

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Looks like the Trump campaign is about to challenge the security of the voting machines, software, and databases:


This is for those who wanted to know what the fraud component of the challenges would entail.
I watched it...she is relying on a lot of whistleblowers and her story rests with them...she has to hope all her sources are 100% correct and honest...good luck.


 

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I watched it...she is relying on a lot of whistleblowers and her story rests with them...she has to hope all her sources are 100% correct and honest...good luck.


I'll tell you what is "false". It's fact checkers using the word "false" when what they mean is "unproven" (these words aren't even close to identical in meaning), when they've taken no steps themselves to look for any direct evidence to positively disprove a claim, and when they deliver this verdict before anyone making the claim has had the opportunity to present their evidence in court. The USA today story relies on the CISA report, which was issued BEFORE any specific security issues were even identified by the Trump Campaign.

Fact checking is only good for trolling.
 

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I'll tell you what is "false". It's fact checkers using the word "false" when what they mean is "unproven" (these words aren't even close to identical in meaning), when they've taken no steps themselves to look for any direct evidence to positively disprove a claim, and when they deliver this verdict before anyone making the claim has had the opportunity to present their evidence in court. The USA today story relies on the CISA report, which was issued BEFORE any specific security issues were even identified by the Trump Campaign.

Fact checking is only good for trolling.
You say all that about the CISA and yet hang your hat on Sidney Powell...
 

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I'll tell you what is "false". It's fact checkers using the word "false" when what they mean is "unproven" (these words aren't even close to identical in meaning), when they've taken no steps themselves to look for any direct evidence to positively disprove a claim, and when they deliver this verdict before anyone making the claim has had the opportunity to present their evidence in court. The USA today story relies on the CISA report, which was issued BEFORE any specific security issues were even identified by the Trump Campaign.

Fact checking is only good for trolling.
Your ridiculous point is simply a variety of the Gish Gallop. Put out a never ending swarm of highly improbable assertions and insist that the are not false, but so far only unproven.
 

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You say all that about the CISA and yet hang your hat on Sidney Powell...
I make no bets on what evidence Powell will produce, or whether the courts will think it's serious enough to amend, or rerun an election, although I do note that her reputation is that she's not a bullshitter.

On the other hand, I don't have any hesitation in dismissing out of hand a "nothing to see here" memo from a group who doesn't even know what they were supposed to be looking for, and may even be part of the problem.
 
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Dutch Oven

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Your ridiculous point is simply a variety of the Gish Gallop. Put out a never ending swarm of highly improbable assertions and insist that the are not false, but so far only unproven.
I should just let your post stand as res ipsa loquitur, but to save anyone looking up that term or Gish Gallop, if you can't appreciate the difference between the terms "false" and "unproven", I leave you to the ravages of our beloved press.🐑
 

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I make no bets on what evidence Powell will produce, or whether the courts will think it's serious enough to amend, or rerun an election, although I do note that her reputation is that she's not a bullshitter.

On the other hand, I don't have any hesitation in dismissing out of hand a "nothing to see here" memo from a group who doesn't even know what they were supposed to looking for, and may even be part of the problem.
She is aligning herself with a bullshitter, Rudy G...and her evidence may be manufactured by bullshitters.

I don't like her chances up against the CISA.
 

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