The double standard with Hunter Biden's laptop is worse than you think

WyattEarp

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there was no shortage of evidence of actual cooperation between the campaign and Russia. The cooperation did not rise to the level of criminality and Mueller made it clear that his decision was made at least in part as a result of the proximity to the election.
richaceg above said most of it. If you cite something specific as far as cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia, we can be enlightened or at least respond.
 

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FBI and DOJ are making a fool of themselves...If your story is true...but it's not...It was all nothingburger...
Hmm. When the FBI or DOJ make findings about your hero they are making fools of themselves and when they do not prosecute it is "ss the FBI and DOJ found nothing..." Fortunately you are not being selective. Too funny.
 

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The GOP narrative is it was abandoned. However, nobody can prove Hunter Biden brought it in. The camera’s were turned off that day. (Go figure). The store owner was not the on the property when it was apparently dropped off.
That's an excellent point. I just don't know if it makes a difference especially if Hunter didn't report it stolen.
 

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That's an excellent point. I just don't know if it makes a difference especially if Hunter didn't report it stolen.
just because someone drops off something at a store to be repaired or whatever does not mean it was abandoned. if that were the case i would have abandoned many pairs of shoes etc. And I do not believe there ever any evidence that he had dropped it off let alone abandoned.
 

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Doe this really look like a coup d'etat? The media has messed with everyone's psychological attachment to a building. Democracy doesn't live in a building. It isn't "capture the flag".

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Jan 6 was Trump giving a middle finger to the world, using his dumb followers. Did he have any chance in hell of “stopping Biden from being President”? No! He lost when he couldn’t overturn those 4 states. The courts shut his fraud claim down. The end.

Stop obsessing on trying to lock Trump up. He toed the legal line just enough to not be imprisonned. So yeah he will get away with it.

Organizers of the convoy are going to jail for helping organize a protest. I think that’s a double standard.
It is a double standard. However, if you are going to sell the coup d'etat you have to have to lock some people up.
 

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The problem is that what was shown on TV did not look like a coup attempt at all, so you should give up, if that's your best argument.
Pre-organizing a mob to over run the Capitol in an effort to stop the certification of a democratic election…. As admitted by many, in the administration, and who were formerly in the investigation.

And I will use your tactic…. They are “investigating”, so 🤷🏻
 
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just because someone drops off something at a store to be repaired or whatever does not mean it was abandoned. if that were the case i would have abandoned many pairs of shoes etc. And I do not believe there ever any evidence that he had dropped it off let alone abandoned.
I'm not even sure what the point is anymore. Are you saying that if the laptop proves Hunter Biden was influence peddling it should be ignored because we don't know exactly how the laptop left his possession? 🤔
 

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LOL. You are the one who is ignoring facts and cherry picking facts that you think may be relevant. there was not shortage of actual evidence of countries and companies seeking to curry favor with the sorest loser in history. just look at the thousands of room nights that were booked at the post office which were never occupied. t=There were many, many examples of such blatant attempts to gain favour. lets get real here.

Ivank had applied for her TM's when her brand was flourishing and the applications were going nowhere until the election. She obviously did not anticipate the poison that her brand would become.
Citing Forbes: Trump’s company has been engaged in off-and-on efforts to sell the hotel since 2019, when it floated an asking price of more than $500 million, Bloomberg News previously reported.

The hotel had been a source of consistent controversy, with critics arguing foreign governments and other interest groups could gain favor by booking rooms at a property owned by the former president’s company.


Trump's business was immediately cited as a conflict of interest. The facts were the business existed long before his foray into politics. It also wasn't illegal. It was kind of a first that a businessman with extensive direct holdings was elected President.
 
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there was no shortage of evidence of actual cooperation between the campaign and Russia. The cooperation did not rise to the level of criminality and Mueller made it clear that his decision was made at least in part as a result of the proximity to the election.
The evidence of collusion did not rise to the level of criminality only because of the obstruction. That’s why obstruction is criminalized. Barr will burn in hell for protecting their main POS and making it seem in his fucked up “summary of the report” that the obstruction didn’t happen.
Meanwhile anyone who believes that the wiki leak just randomly coincided with election time as opposed to having been coordinated is dumb as fuck or wilfully blind.
 
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The evidence of collusion did not rise to the level of criminality only because of the obstruction. That’s why obstruction is criminalized. Barr will burn in hell for protecting their main POS and making it seem in his fucked up “summary of the report” that the obstruction didn’t happen.
I'm not sure that is exactly what Mueller said. Backtracking to Hillary's servers mentioned earlier, her inner circle deliberately destroyed evidence when the investigation began. The problem we all have trying to delineate what is going on is Washington is infested with blatant partisanship on both sides and the media is clearly on one team or the other.

By the way as far as Barr, Congress had Mueller testify and chose not to invoke the articles of impeachment. "Barr will burn in hell for protecting their main POS" is quite a bit bombastic. You are giving him too much credit in your diabolical plot.

Meanwhile anyone who believes that the wiki leak just randomly coincided with election time as opposed to having been coordinated is dumb as fuck or wilfully blind.
These words seem to be chosen so no one could disagree with your main point. Of course, the wiki leak was timed to coincide with the election.
 
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I'm not even sure what the point is anymore. Are you saying that if the laptop proves Hunter Biden was influence peddling it should be ignored because we don't know exactly how the laptop left his possession? 🤔
Not at all. If he was peddling influence he should be charged. Do you agree that if he was just using his famous last name to make money this thig should be declared to have been a political hit job on his father?
 
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Counterpoints that offer no points are a bit self-indulgent.

In information security, there are techniques to assert non-repudiation. Ie to have reasonable proof that an individual did a specific action on the system. Think about encryption keys held only by the individual, etc. Your bank pin is an example - only you should know it.

Those techniques go out the window fast if the actual device has been in someone else's physical possession in an unlocked or unencrypted state. The possessor can pretty much make it look like anything happened on that system then. Normally police take a device from the suspect's possession and have a documented chain of custody from there to an expert in order to help with the non-repudiation issue.

I could go on, but basically people shouldn't comment too much about computer forensics too much if they have no clue what they are talking about.
 

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Citing Forbes: Trump’s company has been engaged in off-and-on efforts to sell the hotel since 2019, when it floated an asking price of more than $500 million, Bloomberg News previously reported.

The hotel had been a source of consistent controversy, with critics arguing foreign governments and other interest groups could gain favor by booking rooms at a property owned by the former president’s company.


Trump's business was immediately cited as a conflict of interest. The facts were the business existed long before his foray into politics. It also wasn't illegal. It was kind of a first that a businessman with extensive direct holdings was elected President.
Not sure what point you are making. it was common knowledge that he was trying to unload the hotel after lying about the cost overruns and income etc. That is not what I was alluding to.


A Trump hotel mystery: Giant reservations followed by empty rooms



  • The US government has paid nearly $1 million to President Trump’s company since he took office, including 1,600 nightly room rentals at Trump’s hotels
  • The whopping $970,000 bill was almost entirely racked up by trips taken by the president, his family and his top political aides
  • US taxpayers have funded the equivalent of more than four years’ worth of stays at Trump hotels, including 950 nights at Trump’s National Golf Club

And we have T-Mobile Us Inc’s chief executive, John Legere, and other company leaders admitting they have spent $195,000 on hotel stays and other expenses at the Trump International Hotel in Washington since the company sought approval for a $26 billion merger with Sprint. In about a year, $200,000.
 
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The evidence of collusion did not rise to the level of criminality only because of the obstruction. That’s why obstruction is criminalized. Barr will burn in hell for protecting their main POS and making it seem in his fucked up “summary of the report” that the obstruction didn’t happen.
Meanwhile anyone who believes that the wiki leak just randomly coincided with election time as opposed to having been coordinated is dumb as fuck or wilfully blind.

Of cousre. But what about Hunter's laptop. If there has ever been a dumber more gullible cohort on earth than the lemmings who follow the sorest loser in history I have yet to see it. that is the nature of a cult.
 
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Not sure what point you are making. it was common knowledge that he was trying to unload the hotel after lying about the cost overruns and income etc. That is not what I was alluding to.


A Trump hotel mystery: Giant reservations followed by empty rooms



  • The US government has paid nearly $1 million to President Trump’s company since he took office, including 1,600 nightly room rentals at Trump’s hotels
  • The whopping $970,000 bill was almost entirely racked up by trips taken by the president, his family and his top political aides
  • US taxpayers have funded the equivalent of more than four years’ worth of stays at Trump hotels, including 950 nights at Trump’s National Golf Club

And we have T-Mobile Us Inc’s chief executive, John Legere, and other company leaders admitting they have spent $195,000 on hotel stays and other expenses at the Trump International Hotel in Washington since the company sought approval for a $26 billion merger with Sprint. In about a year, $200,000.
I believe you are kitchen-sinking your argument. I'm trying to follow all your points and respond to them. They come in waves one on top of the other changing direction at the break.

The government reimbursing govt. officials staying at Trump Hotels is not a good look, but we know these Presidential entourages rack up a lot of lodging expense. I must confess i thought we were talking about influence peddling. This is not an issue in that vein.

T-mobile-Sprint is kind of a yawner. It really needed to happen to have a strong #3 to compete with AT&T and Verizon. Everyone knows this is an FCC decision. The Republicans, no surprise, we're in favor of it and it's unlikely Trump influenced the vote directly. It's an interesting point, but I wouldn't know how to categorize this last point you made.

We had the press demanding Trump's health reports, psychological reports and literally every business dealing he ever had. I believe they wanted access to Trump's colonoscopy report. Guess what he's full of shit. So what? Now let the Biden's be subject to some scrutiny.
 

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I believe you are kitchen-sinking your argument. I'm trying to follow all your points and respond to them. They come in waves one on top of the other changing direction at the break.

The government reimbursing govt. officials staying at Trump Hotels is not a good look, but we know these Presidential entourages rack up a lot of lodging expense. I must confess i thought we were talking about influence peddling. This is not an issue in that vein.

T-mobile-Sprint is kind of a yawner. It really needed to happen to have a strong #3 to compete with AT&T and Verizon. Everyone knows this is an FCC decision. The Republicans, no surprise, we're in favor of it and it's unlikely Trump influenced the vote directly. It's an interesting point, but I wouldn't know how to categorize this last point you made.

We had the press demanding Trump's health reports, psychological reports and literally every business dealing he ever had. I believe they wanted access to Trump's colonoscopy report. Guess what he's full of shit. So what? Now let the Biden's be subject to some scrutiny.
We were talking about abuses of his office and others seeking to curry favor. what could be clearer. You just simply refuse to see the facts in front of your face. The difference is that while in office he had a congress which refused to exercise any oversight and once ought he simply thumbed his nose at it. He also fired virtually all of the inspectors general.

In terms of disclosure has there been a request made of Trump which most other presidents and candidates disclosed voluntarily?
 
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just because someone drops off something at a store to be repaired or whatever does not mean it was abandoned. if that were the case i would have abandoned many pairs of shoes etc. And I do not believe there ever any evidence that he had dropped it off let alone abandoned.
This was never Hunter Biden's laptop.

Emails from Hunter's iCloud account were on sale in Ukraine, someone grabbed some of those, added some deepfake videos and then sold the kit to Rudy.
The laptop was a macbook pro, you can't get past the encryption if you don't have the password, and there is zero evidence they had the password.

Have you never worked on a mac before?
 
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Doe this really look like a coup d'etat?
Not a successful one, true.
The media has messed with everyone's psychological attachment to a building. Democracy doesn't live in a building. It isn't "capture the flag".
Democracy lives in the certification of the results of a free and fair election. Go back to Tombstone - No soup for you!!!
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No soup for them, either, unless it's part of jail food...
 
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That was the exact point made with those screaming Russian collusion. They heard it reported by the media so much they were convinced they had heard and seen evidence. Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff said told the world he had seen the evidence.

If you have evidence of Russian collusion or a Jan. 6 coup d'etat, you should have call the Justice Dept. or FBI immediately.
Let me correct you, here. Adam Schiff said, on countless occasions, that he was in POSSESSION of evidence that Trump colluded with Russia.
 
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