The Blue Jays 2019 Season

gcostanza

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I do know that but when I searched that list of owners they listed the individuals, not the corporations. Rogers' picture was there and his net worth of over 11 billion dollars.
And he (as an individual) doesn't own the team, the corporation does.
 

shack

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So what are you saying here, shack??

Rogers is just bleeding the team dry and doesnt care about putting a winning team on the field??
Not exactly. What I am saying is an organization with the resources of Rogers should not make us endure what looks like at the very least a 6 year painful process. More likely 7 or 8, and that is IF everything goes well.

My point is that ownership has resources that should be close to matching or even exceeding ownership in NY and Boston etc. and those teams are constantly spending regardless of how they performed the previous year. Even if they DO decide to make big changes, they don't make the fans wait and suffer through a 6-8 year process like we are going through. Boston had some horrible teams under John Farrell and especially Bobby Valentine. I suspect that within 2 or maybe even 3 years each time, they were serious contenders.

So I don't think he's bleeding the team dry, but since shapeero has arrived, he is disrespecting very supportive fans by running this team more like teams in Tampa or Cleveland or Pittsburgh or Miami as opposed to those of his financial resources peers in NY, Bost, LA, Frisco. Rogers doesn't necessarily have to be as aggressive as those top tier teams but at least throw us a few bones, spend a few bucks for the sake of the fans. It shouldn't have to be this painful.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Not exactly. What I am saying is an organization with the resources of Rogers should not make us endure what looks like at the very least a 6 year painful process. More likely 7 or 8, and that is IF everything goes well.

My point is that ownership has resources that should be close to matching or even exceeding ownership in NY and Boston etc. and those teams are constantly spending regardless of how they performed the previous year. Even if they DO decide to make big changes, they don't make the fans wait and suffer through a 6-8 year process like we are going through. Boston had some horrible teams under John Farrell and especially Bobby Valentine. I suspect that within 2 or maybe even 3 years each time, they were serious contenders.

So I don't think he's bleeding the team dry, but since shapeero has arrived, he is disrespecting very supportive fans by running this team more like teams in Tampa or Cleveland or Pittsburgh or Miami as opposed to those of his financial resources peers in NY, Bost, LA, Frisco. Rogers doesn't necessarily have to be as aggressive as those top tier teams but at least throw us a few bones, spend a few bucks for the sake of the fans. It shouldn't have to be this painful
TFC went through that exact same thing, and thats when former mayor David Miller (and TFC fanclub) stood up and raised their voices saying they werent gonna stand for a half-effort. TFC responded by splashing more cash, buying Bradley, Atomic Ant and a few others and the rest is history.

I dont see a Blue Jay fanclub doing the same thing, maybe thats the problem??

Read this: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...soccer-club-in-facebook-post/article14249983/
 

shack

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And he (as an individual) doesn't own the team, the corporation does.
As I said, I was repeating what I saw online. Whether Rogers Corp or Ed Rogers is the owner, does not change the gist of my point, which was that the owner has very deep pockets in relation to the owners of other teams. Am I wrong in that assessment? Are they lower down the ladder than I am assuming?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I would say the board (Not Edward) calls the shots.
They have to answer to their shareholders
But I would think Ed Rogers still has a substantial decision on how much money is spent, regardless of shareholders.

But WTF do I know. I just cracked open my first beer.

*cheers*
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I think, I hope, with fans staying away in droves and the subsequent greatly decreased revenue that that would provide some motivation
Really bad idea, because if that boycott lasts for many years the team might be sold to an American city.
There was already talk of that in 2010 when we sucked so badly for so long:

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2010/04/23/can_the_blue_jays_survive_in_toronto.html

https://www.pri.org/stories/2010-04-28/baseball-dead-canada
 

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The outfielder attempted to catch ball, (the ball would have hit the wall and bounced back into the outfield if the outfielder did not make a play for it) the ball bounced off the outfielder's glove and over the wall and into the stands.
Here are a couple of other scenarios.

1) Ball clears the fence and the outfielder pulls it back. Home Run?

2) Outfielder catches the ball and both fall into the stands. Home Run?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Here are a couple of other scenarios.

1) Ball clears the fence and the outfielder pulls it back. Home Run?

2) Outfielder catches the ball and both fall into the stands. Home Run?
1. Not a homerun if the outfielder catches it cleanly (but he has to pull the ball back inside the park and inside his glove completely).
If the outfielder doesnt catch the ball completely, and the ball either goes out or stays in the park, that will count as either a homerun or a ground rule double

2. That's a homerun because both the ball and the fielder are considered part of the ballpark
 

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HR#4 for Vladdy Jr!, quick calculation shows that he is on pace for a 34 HR season if he plays a full 162 games, and the game isn't over yet as I type this.

The other JR would have been on pace to hit 20 HR if he played a full season his rookie year.
 

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Jays sitting out Vlad on a holiday Monday game. Talk about giving the middle finger to the fans.
 

unassuming

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Jays sitting out Vlad on a holiday Monday game. Talk about giving the middle finger to the fans.
Yeah it sucks that he is not playing today, I was all geared up for him to face Price.

Montoyo said it was his scheduled day off, they should have scheduled it for tomorrow's game.

Geez, he's only 20 years old, he's swinging a hot bat right now, he shpuld be playing every day!!!!
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Guerra claimed off waivers
 

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to say Shapkins is tone deaf is an understatement....not to play Vladdy on a holiday Monday is egregious, and senseless...….unless those 2 idiots didn't know it was a Canadian holiday or didn't care......from day 1 these two dudes have been clueless or indifferent to Canadian culture, Blue Jay fans and maybe their own players who most likely would of preferred to see Vladdy in the lineup......can Rogers please start a talent search and get rid of these guys...
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Junior's next scheduled day off is July 1st
I can just see Buntoya's excuse for resting Vlad again. "Hey guys, I thought Canada Day was July 4th"
 
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