the Beauty or the service or both ???

[INDY'S SECRETS]

hello Genetlemen
We are now in 2008 and i have question for all of you used the board to find
The lady of his choice to have some fun

I need to know What you are looking for when you want to book with a lady ?
( beauty or service from a ladies or both ) ?

thanks in advanced for all your answer and thats gone give me the opportunity to better know all of you and what you really want from a service providers .

best regards

 

[rc12rc12]

both

 

[papasmerf]

Both and a lady who gives S&H Green Stamps

 

[blopar]

Let me guess. All of your ladies offer both, right?

 

[TRX]

combination of both would be nice

 

[smylee52]

hello Genetlemen
We are now in 2008 and i have question for all of you used the board to find
The lady of his choice to have some fun

I need to know What you are looking for when you want to book with a lady ?
( beauty or service from a ladies or both ) ?

thanks in advanced for all your answer and thats gone give me the opportunity to better know all of you and what you really want from a service providers .

best regards

A beautiful woman with mediocre service looks a lot less beautiful by the end of the session.

An average looking woman with excellent service looks a lot more attractive by the end of the session .

I would choose service over beauty if a choice has to be made .

 

[INDY'S SECRETS]

Let me guess. All of your ladies offer both, right?

hello blopar

i ask this question cuz i have 10 girls want to join the group and i have to figure what you guys think about that . ( service or beauty or both )
but if they dont give a good service you guys not going to be happy right ?

and if the ladies look good and offert and unbeleivable service you going to really like that too right ?

so i have no choice to ask you user of this all service provide in the city to help me in my selection.

We target toronto in regular basis and with your help and comment about this question i going to make a good selection

 

[goalie000]

A Nice combination of reasonable prices, Good looks, and Good service.

 

[INDY'S SECRETS]

you know how i feel about a couple of your ladies. what i look for from you in 2008 is a little more reasonable price structure.

byrent happy new years .

A Nice combination of reasonable prices, Good looks, and Good service.

is the suite of this thread . but before start about pricesssss please i need to clarify this point about the service or the beauty or both .

Trust me you going to understand later what i means.

just to everybody know : service GFE or safe GFE or YMMV and price go all together in that question .

but before i need to have your comment from all

regards

 

[fuji]

For me before we can talk about preference there are some minimums that ALL have to be met, otherwise no deal at all:

1) Convenience. For me that means must be incall, must be downtown. For others it will be different. Also, must be available--I don't do day in advance bookings, I usually book on a whim with no more than an hour notice. Won't even consider booking if this convenience standard is not met.

2) Minimum standard of beauty. Must claim to be 25 and under (so really 30 or under), must claim waist 25 or under or weight under 120 (therefore under 130 really), must not have any major skin problems, etc., if this very objective minimum standard is not met I have been lied to on the phone (I asked) and I walk without paying any cancel fee.

3) Price must be competitive. I usually book 30min, and normally pay $120-160/30, price must match looks/age/weight. I only book longer than 30 with an SP I've seen before, and even that not very often. Those are incall rates. If you are charging $180 sorry but I'm having just as much fun at $160 somewhere else, probably with a better looking girl. Charge me $160 for a girl who OBJECTIVELY should be $120 and I'm done with your agency. I won't dock you dollars here for bad service or subjectives here, it's objective traits (age, figure, looks) that set price. If someone is $180 because of her great service she has too many regulars already and probably should not be advertising anymore.

You HAVE to meet the above standards, or no deal at all.

After that it gets really subjective. I will give any SP who meets the minimums a chance. Maybe she has lousy "service" but she's really sexy, even if not very pretty. You can never tell until you try, and what one guy likes, the next one might not.

It's important to note that to me service does NOT mean "does more stuff". It's how much fun it was to be there, how pleasant she was, whether she is "mechanical" or sexy, whether she gets impatient half way through FS, etc., does not matter much how much she's willing to do uncovered (probably that is even a minus) and so on. Anal might matter to someone else, it's a minus for me if she does that.

To get a repeat she has to have SOMETHING that is special, but it could be great looks for one girl, and great service for another one.

To get repeat as an agency though it is different: the first session doesn't have to be great! It just has to have been PROMISING. I don't expect you've fucked your SP's, so I don't expect you to know how good their service actually is, but I do expect you check them out well enough to know whether it's plausible to think they would be fun to be with. It's probably a bit easier for you to judge looks in that case, but some girls you just know they're sexy or fun by the way they act.

My rule is if the girl seemed like she would be fun before the session started then that agency owner is doing their job, and I will repeat with the agency even if after the session I decide I don't like this girl after all.

 

[DATYdude]

fuji makes VERY good points.

I think you should have BOTH available:

Some SPs who are very very hot. Some guys will go for the "eye candy" even if the service levels are low.

Some good-looking SPs (at least decent-looking) who will give great service and who are open-minded for most guys.

And you wouldn't be making a mistake to get at least one SP who has very open services including fetishes etc... and her looks will be less important.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU ARE HONEST ON THE PHONE.

If you look at the agencies (not the girls) who get the best comments on this board, it's the ones who know the girls are honest to the clients BEFORE they book. I'm thinking mainly about Mirage, but there are other agencies that want to last in this market long term and they know that hot SPs are only half the battle.

 

[Hornet]

I'm pretty much of a MP guy but I think that we guys all think pretty much the same:

1) The better looking the girl the more likely she'll get choosen for a "date", "session", "dance" over the girl who's not as good looking.
2) The better service the girl offers, irregardless of looks, the more likely she'll she'll get repeat clientele.

With TERB, Hotbabes and other review boards eventually service will rule out over looks as the word spreads and members do more research. Remember, it's the hobbiest's that are likely the repeat clientele. Looks also fade, but good service normally doesn't.

 

[INDY'S SECRETS]

happy new year fuji

Thank to you to have take time to share this info with me and all the reste of the board.
Now i think you guys want to talk about prices

Yes i am here in Toronto now and like i have do in other city in Canada we have etablish our group and we have build a good reputation for reliability and for the custumer service.

Montreal Girls i think lots of you have travel in the famous city of Montreal where you all know the price is kind of lower if you compare to other city in Canada.
Some of you know is not the first touring service i operated and Toronto have not always be the city to have higher rates .

With Indyssecrets group girls set up everything donation schedules and their service. I am the middle man between the custumer and the ladies to help each other to finally meet

i would like to give you the same rates for all girls and the most lower we can make it.

but here an exemple :

all girls from montreal who are very hot looker and give a good service are very well busy in the city of montreal where they work local .
You going to probally answer good for them and i do so.

my point is i try in 2008 to convince the ladies to follow the market of toronto but sometimes that can be very insulting for the ladies to ask her to have the same rates then in montreal, when they go on tour in other city .

Girls Are willing to travel for one thing $$$$$$ and more $$$$$.
if a lady make 3000 per weeks in 3 days in montreal , shes not going to travel for the same income she can do in her own city.

If we can attract then to travel is because they can ask more for their donation outside of town other wise they just going to stay home and continue to do what they do usually.

you have wright :

3) Price must be competitive. I usually book 30min, and normally pay $120-160/30, price must match looks/age/weight. I only book longer than 30 with an SP I've seen before, and even that not very often. Those are incall rates. If you are charging $180 sorry but I'm having just as much fun at $160 somewhere else, probably with a better looking girl. Charge me $160 for a girl who OBJECTIVELY should be $120 and I'm done with your agency. I won't dock you dollars here for bad service or subjectives here, it's objective traits (age, figure, looks) that set price. If someone is $180 because of her great service she has too many regulars already and probably should not be advertising anymore.

You HAVE to meet the above standards, or no deal at all.

the price you have there, is the price look like the same price custumer can find in montreal and i agree with you thats can be a fair game for custumer and the ladies if everybody are happy with that .
but the thing is for touring girls thats not possible.

With the concept of Indy's Secrets each girls choose their rates and i can only suggest them and only suggest them what would be the better rates she can make for the custumer.

you all know the expense of the ladies they have.. i know some of you going to say they can have cheap hotel and etc... and other.
True but financial district is the central of operation for most of touring agency or independent and a good hotel can " rarely be find under 175 or 200 per night + TX " and lots of girls would like to receive you in a super suite but they going to want more.

For the few trip we have make in toronto we are lucky to have good custumer and " the no show i can calculate them in one hand "

but is a reality and the ladies think like that : if i have 6 appointement and 2 cancel or 2 no show , is better for them to stay in montreal and make the same income.
I agree with then too on this one . but thats the game and we all know that can happen from your side and our side.

here my proposal :
i engage my self to talk to each one of them about this price market situation here in toronto compare about our rates " Touring ladies " and i have already few of them ready to go under the 300$ per hour for a GFE service.

but other dont agree and just decide to skip this city and go where the custumer are willing to pay what she ask , and we all know thats her right !

but they all come with a good review and good reputation for their service and with indyssecrets we going to makeup all situation where the custumer are not happy with is encounter.

you want service and reliability of the ladies " when we post a date to travel " is not funny for nobody to have a cancellation and for me is the same.

good we provide that ! but ladies have to have a motivation to be willing to travel and guys is the reality everybody know.

i can ask all of you what going to be the better price and etc... but i know already the answer.
the goal is not to have an higher donation or a lower donation .

my goal of this thread is to find a good middle between the custumer and what the ladies ask fro her service.

GFE and Safe GFE can be differente rates and i agree the service is not the same.

i wait for your comment please !

regards

P/s my english is not the best i know but i have try to wright this more clearly i can .

 

[hunter001]

To me service is most important. If you have crappy service it doesn't matter who beautiful that lady is.

Since I am paying for the encounter I do expect the lady to be attractive but service is what I look for first.

 

[Sir Alex]

Definitely both for a real pleasurable time, but still at times i can compromise if the service is remarkable, but if the SP with beauty who has tantrums is not worth spending tributes and your time.
Humble SP's go along way & are usually friend cum SP's also.

 

[smylee52]

Humble SP's go along way & are usually friend cum SP's also.[/QUOTE]

Read the line above 3 times and you are guaranteed a headache . Brilliant instrument of torture .

 

[gentle_lover]

both

 

[INDY'S SECRETS]

thanks to all for your comment

hello gentlemen
now i going to show you how we work at Indy's Secrets and if you have question email pm going to be answered.

Happy new year to all and the first 2 ladies going to be a part of this new approche for Toronto are Marilyne and Heather starting now .


With best regards