- Jun 15, 2004
- 8,389
- 1,577
- 113
I know. I was at Sunday’s game. He’s playing with the spark his step, absolutely. Good for him shut the critics up prove yourself.
Philip
The 2025 Toronto Blue Jays
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Philip
Steve Simmons had pretty much written him off already
SIMMONS: Is there any real hope for the Blue Jays this season?
Every MLB baseball season begins with hope. But how much of it is real for a Toronto Blue Jays team looking to find its way once again?
torontosun.com
George Springer, again, is a key player for the Blue Jays despite all the statistical evidence that questions his place in Major League Baseball.
Springer was an excellent big league player. He isn’t anymore.
He turns 36 in September. It isn’t a time when professional athletes recapture what has been lost over the years. In his past three seasons with the Jays, Springer has dropped in batting average from .267 to .220, from an OPS of .814 to .674, from an on-base percentage of .342 to .303, and an OPS+ dropping from 132 to 92. Each season a little worse than the one before it.
Now Jays will tell you that Springer had a sound spring training. That process is working on his behalf. That he looks to bounce back this season. And maybe he will.
But historically, when a player in any sport drops incrementally in every category that matters over a three-year period, the likelihood is those numbers are an indication of a career in decline.
The Jays need something from Springer this season. Whether he has that in him, again, may be more hope than reality.
He was guessing and got it right but that what he has to do. One good swing per bat is his goal
Poilievre Jr making a come back year.
Springer continues to shine.
WTF? with Vladdy and Tony Taters>>no dingers
Bottom of order playing small ball! Love it!
Springer continues to shine.
WTF? with Vladdy and Tony Taters>>no dingers
Bottom of order playing small ball! Love it!
- Jun 15, 2004
- 8,389
- 1,577
- 113
We are a hop, skip, and a jump away from 2007 attendance. The home opener had a sellout. After that, I’m seeing a lot of empty seats on the weekend and so far this week, which I guess would be more expected for weekdays. The game I went to on Sunday was already showing signs of low attendance. I was behind the behind the plate and that whole section is generally filled up, but you could easily hear crickets in the fifth deck and quite a few crickets in the third deck. I think the official attendance number for Sunday was around 27,000. Guys this team better start doing something soon or else 8000 is around the corner.
Philip
Philip
I think this might be part of the reason why:
https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/...-now-more-expensive-actual-blue-jays-tickets/
Also the cold weather isn't helping
It's happening sooner than I'd predicted.
I'm not sure mitch poster said I was wrong and predicted that attendance would not drop.
2007 Blue Jays' attendance: 2, 360, 644, (average 29, 143); 7th of 14 AL teams.
2025 Year to date:
March 27: 40, 737
March 28: 26, 289
March 29: 27, 005
March 30: 21, 069
March 31: 20, 137
April 1: 21, 845
Keep in mind that Inter league games often draw the among the highest and lowest home crowds, depending on the opponent. In Oakland recently, they had relatively large crowds for any games against other California teams from both Leagues, and for the New York Yankees. Many other games drew less than 5,000 fans. What is unfortunate for the Jays is that they have no natural geographical rivals in the National League, and their three 2025 games against the LA Dodgers are on the road.
The Washington Nationals are one of the six Major League teams who had a worse record than the Jays in 2024. The Nats did very little to improve their roster for 2025. They resigned Josh Bell for $6M, and signed Canadian Michael Soroka for $9 Million, (0-10 for the 2025 Chicago White Sox), Amed Rosario, ($2M), Jorge Lopez, ($3M), and Blue Jays cast off Paul DeJong, ($1M), all to one year contracts, and Japanese pitcher Shinnosuke Ogasawara, (2 years, $3.5M). Their ability to compete is severely restricted by the disastrous $245 Million/ 7 year contract extension given to Stephen Strasberg. Strasberg won one game for the Nats during the contract, and officially retired in April, 2024. Washington is still on the hook to pay him $35 Million this year, and next.
Washington won the draft lottery for 2025, and they have several top prospects. They appear to be in 'tank mode' at least until the Strasberg contract expires.
shack, @mitchell76 gives me likes on almost all of my posts.
I would behoove you to desist with the heckling.
Sincere apologies.
I thought that it was mitchell who made that prediction. Hence my intentional misspelling of "which poster" to "mitch poster". It was not a typo. I was too lazy to go back and double check who had said it.
April Attendance is always down across MLB (excluding home openers). They had as low as 23,000 for an April game last year too.
Best way to look at it is YOY through 6 games.
2024/2025
40/41
31/26
23/27
29/21
31/20
27/22
2024 Avg = 30
2025 Avg = 26
So down about 13% year over year at this point.
That 13% is a direct trailing impact of last year's lack of success. I think the lack of Vlad extension
If they can have a good season that 13% should close, and the attendance would not be a major issue. Last year it was 11th which was good for a sucky team... a 13% drop bring it down to 15th. But another bad season and it becomes problematic.
The biggest value the Jays have is their local TV contract. Their local watchers dwarf the average MLB team, and assuming Rogers can monetize that TV watchers its a big asset for the Jays,
Last year's Jays attendance was
Best way to look at it is YOY through 6 games.
2024/2025
40/41
31/26
23/27
29/21
31/20
27/22
2024 Avg = 30
2025 Avg = 26
So down about 13% year over year at this point.
That 13% is a direct trailing impact of last year's lack of success. I think the lack of Vlad extension
If they can have a good season that 13% should close, and the attendance would not be a major issue. Last year it was 11th which was good for a sucky team... a 13% drop bring it down to 15th. But another bad season and it becomes problematic.
The biggest value the Jays have is their local TV contract. Their local watchers dwarf the average MLB team, and assuming Rogers can monetize that TV watchers its a big asset for the Jays,
Last year's Jays attendance was
You also need to take into account that the 31/20 and 27/22 games represent Saturday and Sunday attendance in 2024 vs Monday and Tuesday nights in 2025. I see no statistical significance in this small sample.
Unless I'm mistaken, of the 1st 6 games each season, there were 2 weekend games each year. That should be a wash, I believe.
I see a decrease of about 24K attendance so far after 6 games. For 81 games multiply by 13.5= 324,000 lowered attendance. Is that a significant number? I don't know.
It is a small sample and a lot relies on team performance.
My post which you quoted referred specifically to home games #5 and 6.
The Baltimore Orioles and Washington Nationals are not as popular as some other road teams for a Toronto crowd. If the Jays had opened the home season against the Yankees, Red Sox or Tigers, 2025 attendance after six home dates may have been higher than in 2024. If they had played the Florida Marlins and the Chicago White Sox, the drop would likely have been larger.
Andres Gimenez will also not hit 81 home runs this season, even though that is his current pace after 3.7% of the season.
