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Funny how the fire boys get left out of this conversation..cops really no let's support the sleeping double dipping fire boys..personally could could do without their big tax hit..very expensive little return...living off the old days..these guys are pussies..my neighbour use to go to work with his pillow lol
Oh teachers ..intelligent well skilled workforce making Canada best place to live in the world..no connection there to teachers...6 years of school my friends daughter pays 1400 in rent 300 for car payment and not paid all summer as contract worker..for all you dummies that have nothing to give your kids..dont buy into the BS at least support a good education for your kids and grandkids...rich people dont care there kids go to private school....only stupid people speak of what they know nothing about...I would never want to be a teacher..NEVER!! Easy people to pick on and you suckers buy into it
Oh teachers ..intelligent well skilled workforce making Canada best place to live in the world..no connection there to teachers...6 years of school my friends daughter pays 1400 in rent 300 for car payment and not paid all summer as contract worker..for all you dummies that have nothing to give your kids..dont buy into the BS at least support a good education for your kids and grandkids...rich people dont care there kids go to private school....only stupid people speak of what they know nothing about...I would never want to be a teacher..NEVER!! Easy people to pick on and you suckers buy into it
Who isn't always whining and bitching? The only difference is their bitching makes the front page and whereas everybody else just bitches amongst themselves.
Out of all guberment workers teachers have the least dedication and pride in their work. I have personal experience with them and they are a lost cause. A really good use of my tax money.
Wow. There is so much hate.
Those of you who think you are so educated and smart, were you not educated by teachers?
Don’t you think your experiences as a student, parent, or whatever interactions you have with bad teachers are a result of sampling size?
This country is still performing in top of the world and our education is still regarded fairly well.
A bunch of you just sound like shill sounding boards for an easy target.
Tell me, out of: military, health, education, infrastructure, security and a few more major areas, can’t you all realize that if a country does not value and put resources into its education, you’re not creating and feeding into a system that supports itself?
Cops make more money than teachers but why wouldn’t you want to value education? Why wouldn’t you want to respect the system and give your kids a future? That I don’t understand, as a parent. There is a responsibility to your child and to society.
Education is the path.
People here sound so bitter and ignorant. Do you have better ideas? I hope you realize that the top countries in the world are often the most educated and value that as such.
Those of you who think you are so educated and smart, were you not educated by teachers?
Don’t you think your experiences as a student, parent, or whatever interactions you have with bad teachers are a result of sampling size?
This country is still performing in top of the world and our education is still regarded fairly well.
A bunch of you just sound like shill sounding boards for an easy target.
Tell me, out of: military, health, education, infrastructure, security and a few more major areas, can’t you all realize that if a country does not value and put resources into its education, you’re not creating and feeding into a system that supports itself?
Cops make more money than teachers but why wouldn’t you want to value education? Why wouldn’t you want to respect the system and give your kids a future? That I don’t understand, as a parent. There is a responsibility to your child and to society.
Education is the path.
People here sound so bitter and ignorant. Do you have better ideas? I hope you realize that the top countries in the world are often the most educated and value that as such.
Some of our teachers have tough jobs dealing with a combination of ESL and special needs students, disrespectful kids, idiot parents and poor administrations. Others are truly dedicated to their jobs and put in a tremendous amount of time, and quite often their own money, to benefit students. As a taxpayer I have no problem paying them generous remuneration if they are dedicated. Unfortunately, due to union rules, seniority etc. many of them are just putting in the minimal amount of effort and time required. And it's being reflected in declining test scores and skill sets. Which is why I have little sympathy for their plight. I have a tax client who's a teacher with York Region School Board. She's got 22 years seniority and makes just under the max allowed by contract - low 6 figures. Not bad compensation for working 9 months of the year.
My solution - the dissolution of all public service unions with exceptions for police officers, fire fighters nurses and paramedics. Doing so better ensures that teachers will be paid based upon merit. And bad teachers will be demoted or even fired. Students will win in the end under that scenario.
My solution - the dissolution of all public service unions with exceptions for police officers, fire fighters nurses and paramedics. Doing so better ensures that teachers will be paid based upon merit. And bad teachers will be demoted or even fired. Students will win in the end under that scenario.
Unions are a problem, in the sense that they protect the bad and terrible ones.
Police have this problem as well. Lots of bad cops, but nobody is fighting them to make their jobs harder so that they can do it less effectively?
Going after teachers to increase workload will result in a lower quality of education.
We need to find cost savings in areas like administration, terrible teachers and redundancies. But this needs to be done in all public sectors.
Police have this problem as well. Lots of bad cops, but nobody is fighting them to make their jobs harder so that they can do it less effectively?
Going after teachers to increase workload will result in a lower quality of education.
We need to find cost savings in areas like administration, terrible teachers and redundancies. But this needs to be done in all public sectors.
Just out of curiousity, why do you feel teachers should be paid based on merit but police, fire, nurses and paramedics shouldn't?
I think they need a union due to safety concerns directly related to their jobs.
There are several movies that show teachers as heroes. My favorite is "To Sir With Love".
"To Sir with Love
Lulu
Those schoolgirl days of telling tales and biting nails are gone
But in my mind I know they will still live on and on
But how do you thank someone who has taken you from crayons to perfume?
It isn't easy, but I'll try
If you wanted the sky I would write across the sky in letters
That would soar a thousand feet high 'To Sir, With Love'
The time has come for closing books and long last looks must end
And as I leave I know that I am leaving my best friend
A friend…
If you wanted the moon I would try to make a start
But I would rather you let me give my heart 'To Sir, With Love'
Songwriters: Don Black / Mark London"
Who was your favorite teacher? Mine was Miss Newman in Grade 5. She moved my desk from the back of the room to the front directly in front of her desk. At the time she was 24 and I thought she is really old.
"To Sir with Love
Lulu
Those schoolgirl days of telling tales and biting nails are gone
But in my mind I know they will still live on and on
But how do you thank someone who has taken you from crayons to perfume?
It isn't easy, but I'll try
If you wanted the sky I would write across the sky in letters
That would soar a thousand feet high 'To Sir, With Love'
The time has come for closing books and long last looks must end
And as I leave I know that I am leaving my best friend
A friend…
If you wanted the moon I would try to make a start
But I would rather you let me give my heart 'To Sir, With Love'
Songwriters: Don Black / Mark London"
Who was your favorite teacher? Mine was Miss Newman in Grade 5. She moved my desk from the back of the room to the front directly in front of her desk. At the time she was 24 and I thought she is really old.
Two family members are teachers, and a LOT of acquaintances are teachers and they are the full spectrum. the sisters-in-law are a Special needs educational assistant and one teaches remedial reading. Both are honourable and hard working but don't get it that when they leave the school at 3 or 4, a lot of us are still at the office till after 5.
I know many that say the best part of teaching is July and August! then there's the teachers who tell tales of teachers on the supply list who seem to hack the system and show up a supply when a girls phys ed teacher call in sick.
Too many teachers in the system can have the sum total of their worldly experience summed as "moving from the little desks to the big desk". except fpr MacDonalds for a three month stint, never really held a job.
The way DF is gutting excess politicians in TO and in Niagara region and condensing all of the behind the scenes staff in the paramedic empire, I would not be surprised to see him slash the number and salaries of superintendents and boards. In Hamilton, there is a serious infestation of assistant superintendents- exactly what the hell is that supposed to be and how the hell does that merit $130k a year?
The liberals allowed every cause of the SJW class to encroach on the curriculum to the point that the school year is a blur and without any focus. Why is there two or three assemblies a week in some schools? Why doe the whole school stop in order that everyone can bite an apple at the same time? Why are boards restricting teachers from having their own kids at the school and then allow that rule to be ignored? If we all agree, if the board agrees, if the union agrees that pedophiles do not belong in schools then why oh why is the pervert supply teacher allowed to wrangle his way in to cover girls phys ed classes and NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
Does any of this help math and reading scores?
Lack of transparency and accountability by the boards is to blame.
Abdicating responsibility by the elected school board is to blame.
Failure by the ministry to hold everyone accountable for their performance is where it starts.
I hope DF can unfuck this mess.
I know many that say the best part of teaching is July and August! then there's the teachers who tell tales of teachers on the supply list who seem to hack the system and show up a supply when a girls phys ed teacher call in sick.
Too many teachers in the system can have the sum total of their worldly experience summed as "moving from the little desks to the big desk". except fpr MacDonalds for a three month stint, never really held a job.
The way DF is gutting excess politicians in TO and in Niagara region and condensing all of the behind the scenes staff in the paramedic empire, I would not be surprised to see him slash the number and salaries of superintendents and boards. In Hamilton, there is a serious infestation of assistant superintendents- exactly what the hell is that supposed to be and how the hell does that merit $130k a year?
The liberals allowed every cause of the SJW class to encroach on the curriculum to the point that the school year is a blur and without any focus. Why is there two or three assemblies a week in some schools? Why doe the whole school stop in order that everyone can bite an apple at the same time? Why are boards restricting teachers from having their own kids at the school and then allow that rule to be ignored? If we all agree, if the board agrees, if the union agrees that pedophiles do not belong in schools then why oh why is the pervert supply teacher allowed to wrangle his way in to cover girls phys ed classes and NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
Does any of this help math and reading scores?
Lack of transparency and accountability by the boards is to blame.
Abdicating responsibility by the elected school board is to blame.
Failure by the ministry to hold everyone accountable for their performance is where it starts.
I hope DF can unfuck this mess.
I am forced to agree with you.
At the heart of the issue is the education system which has become a joke. Don't like math because it's too hard? Well drop it and take "World Religion" or " Human Society" Don't like sciences because it's boring? Drop it and take "Yoga and Wellness"
It's a bad joke. The path of least resistance is mirrored in Canada where as a country we have all but given up and sold off or shut down so much of our value added industry. All we want do do is dig various types of dirt out of the ground and sell it at the market price. Innovation? Increased productivity? Competition? That's all too hard. What's easiest?
When you have negative $13.5B dollars each year, you can't afford either, mate.
Except for idiots, no one is disputing the value of education. But if you value education so much, why don't you advocate we throw in a couple more billion a year? How about 20 billion? A hundred? For the same reason we are saying teachers are overpaid. Resources are finite, and no amount of "want" or "should" is ever going to change that.
It's pie-in-the-sky politicians who put us in our current debt mess. And pie-in-the-sky voters who put them in power. We need to come back down to Earth before it's too late.
Actually, some (a lot?) of the stuff they teach in schools nowadays have no practical value. A few years ago I sold a bike to a university student and gave her a free bell. She asked how do you connect the bell to the bike? I said you take a screwdriver and tighten the screws. She then asked what is a screwdriver?
I think teachers and their unions prefer 22 kids per class. Of course, they will probably want 15 kids per class once we get to the 22 target.
Teachers say it's about about educating our kids, not about pay, perks and benefits. If that's the case, then they should welcome a pay freeze. This province has so much debt, something has to give. Not to mention, there's 100,000 fewer students in this province but there's 20% more teachers.
Remember when teachers could bank sick days? What a ridiculous perk. Who gets to do that? Well, guess what happened when they eliminated that? Sick days increased by about 30 per cent. What a coincidence!
They still get 11 paid sick days a year. A year being only 9 months of actual work. I think I took one day off last year due to sickness.
In other words, it's not about the children, it's about their perks. Can't bank sick days any more? Well, we'll show you. And they did.
And they wonder why people are always complaining about them. They just don't get what goes on in the real world.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3900440/teachers-sick-days-auditor-general/
Remember when teachers could bank sick days? What a ridiculous perk. Who gets to do that? Well, guess what happened when they eliminated that? Sick days increased by about 30 per cent. What a coincidence!
They still get 11 paid sick days a year. A year being only 9 months of actual work. I think I took one day off last year due to sickness.
In other words, it's not about the children, it's about their perks. Can't bank sick days any more? Well, we'll show you. And they did.
And they wonder why people are always complaining about them. They just don't get what goes on in the real world.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3900440/teachers-sick-days-auditor-general/
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