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Same could be said of Ontario's police force.

People don't want reasonable wages/benefits. They want MORE. Humans will always want more than they currently have; it's part of the human condition. The free market keeps a cap on that in the private sector. In the public sector, it's up to the government to keep things in check.

They've done a piss poor job.
 
rhuarc29 said:
Same could be said of Ontario's police force.

People don't want reasonable wages/benefits. They want MORE. Humans will always want more than they currently have; it's part of the human condition. The free market keeps a cap on that in the private sector. In the public sector, it's up to the government to keep things in check.

They've done a piss poor job.
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Any public sector govt paid employee has it good and wants more.

If the govt wants to save money, stop giving police officers suspensions with pay!
 
Fathammer said:
Any public sector govt paid employee has it good and wants more.

If the govt wants to save money, stop giving police officers suspensions with pay!
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I'm certain that would amount to drop in the bucket. But I agree. If they're suspended, they should either put their pay in trust or make them repay the wages pending the outcome of the trial. I think that's fair.

DF does have a point though. It doesn't matter which Government is in power, they always threaten to strike come contract time. Saying it's all about the children.
 
The last group you want to cheap out are cops. The poorer the pay, the higher the risk that they can be bought. The lower the pay, the higher the chance you will attract second rate candidates.
 
You don't want to cheap out on teachers either.... Tough job and the qualifications are very high and it is brutally difficult to get into teachers college.
 
jazzbox said:
You don't want to cheap out on teachers either.... Tough job and the qualifications are very high and it is brutally difficult to get into teachers college.
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It's hard to get into Teachers College because there are so many people wanting to be teachers . I have 3 family members that are teachers . All wanted to be teachers because of the TIME OFF they get . 2 months in the summer , along with all of the holidays which adds up to 3 months off . Not one cared about the kids . What other job do you know that gets that much time off after being on the job for 1 year . I had to work 5 years just to get 3 weeks off . Now in the company that I worked for you can only get up to 4 weeks of holidays.

It's not just a matter of having great qualifications these days . It's who you know that can help you out . Many people have great qualifications . They are a dime a dozen .

Yea so some teachers have it rough . Like who doesn't these days . They even have sick paid days off . I never did . Miss a day of work and I didn't get paid .

It's always about the kids they say . I call bullshit . They always say that . Any teacher that has a problem with class size or pay can always quit and find another job . Plenty of other new teachers are happy to take their place .
 
oral.com said:
The last group you want to cheap out are cops. The poorer the pay, the higher the risk that they can be bought. The lower the pay, the higher the chance you will attract second rate candidates.
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jazzbox said:
You don't want to cheap out on teachers either.... Tough job and the qualifications are very high and it is brutally difficult to get into teachers college.
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Yes, yes, and you don't want to cheap out on doctors, nurses, firefighters, etc etc.

You two need to get real! We can't afford to pay what we've been paying. While it'd be nice to pay those people filling those occupations such wages, you have to balance that against the fact that it is financed either by debt or the private sector. We're already under a significant amount of debt and I don't think any who take a quick look at the private sector could say the public sector doesn't have it sweeter. Though many try to make such an argument anyway by pointing to CEOs, as if they aren't a very small percentage of private sector jobs.
 
I’m pretty comfortable cheaping out on teachers. Overpaid beggars, it’s all about them boo hoo. The lip service they give to make believe they care about the kids is stripped right off when they threaten to strike over minor changes (IMHO and probably the vast majority of non unionized Ontarians) to curriculum. I have no patience for ideologically obsessed leftists who argue otherwise.
 
oral.com said:
The last group you want to cheap out are cops. The poorer the pay, the higher the risk that they can be bought. The lower the pay, the higher the chance you will attract second rate candidates.
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Just because you might attract "second rate" candidates doesn't mean you have to hire them.
 
oral.com take an Ambien.

Teaching is a tough profession. Most teachers start as substitutes, even tougher. Most of them are burnt out by the time June rolls around. And they're smart for hiring top notch accountants to run their pension plan. You never go cheap.

Douglas had top notch pushers to run his business.
 
rhuarc29 said:
Yes, yes, and you don't want to cheap out on doctors, nurses, firefighters, etc etc.

You two need to get real! We can't afford to pay what we've been paying. While it'd be nice to pay those people filling those occupations such wages, you have to balance that against the fact that it is financed either by debt or the private sector. We're already under a significant amount of debt and I don't think any who take a quick look at the private sector could say the public sector doesn't have it sweeter. Though many try to make such an argument anyway by pointing to CEOs, as if they aren't a very small percentage of private sector jobs.
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We can totally afford to pay those people.
We can't afford the tax breaks for corporations and the very rich.
 
rhuarc29 said:
Same could be said of Ontario's police force.

People don't want reasonable wages/benefits. They want MORE. Humans will always want more than they currently have; it's part of the human condition. The free market keeps a cap on that in the private sector. In the public sector, it's up to the government to keep things in check.

They've done a piss poor job.
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+ 1 I agree
 
Yes, kids are our future. I called the NDP and told them the Ontario I want to leave our kids is no debt (exactly what my own parents did) and much lower taxes. No province or country ever borrowed and tax their way to prosperity.
 
Darts said:
Yes, kids are our future. I called the NDP and told them the Ontario I want to leave our kids is no debt (exactly what my own parents did) and much lower taxes. No province or country ever borrowed and tax their way to prosperity.
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Well then don't ever vote for the NDP. They thrive on running up debt and taxing the middle class to pay for it.
 
They're certainly not the best though. Because of the bad education system in Canada there are people that are functional illiterates. Even if you get a post secondary degree I've met some retards with multiple letters after their name. The teachers in this province and country should worry about doing a quality job not getting paid more. But this is the problem with unionized work environments. Once you're in the weak and bad get protected and over paid.

I have friends who are parents and they tell me how bad the teaching is.

No wonder Canada is no longer innovative. Apart from RIM or shopify name a Canadian company or invention that blew you away. I would say after the 1980s Canada has been coasting. It's because we graduate mediocre students that become mediocre people.

No wonder, economics aside, Canadian universities are full of foreign students. Our homegrown students are too lazy or too dumb to get into technical non arts fields. It all starts with the teaching they get in primary and secondary school.
 
One correction from my initial reply. It is not all on teachers too. The curiculuma they get are also very bad. So you have bad direction given by mostly bad teachers that don't like their jobs apart from the sunmers off.
 
Teachers are very sick people. Everybody hated going to school while growing up. These freaks actually want to go back and work in that environment.

Why? To help out dirty stinky sniveling kids? No. Their agenda is all about money, power, and privilege.
 
As Dennis Miller once said - "There's something wrong with our educational system when kids can graduate without learning the 3-R's, and the people who are teaching don't know that 2 OUT OF 3 OF THOSE WORDS DON'T EVEN START WITH THE LETTER 'R'".
 
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