If these are contractual obligations then they should be honoured as long as the province considers them economically viable. Otherwise, they should be subject to adjustments like the Nortel and GM pensions.
teachers strike?
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I see your point..... I'm just saying that it should be economically viable because they should have been BUDGETTING for it. The education budget didn't cause the deficit.
If there was a massive influx of teachers or unexptected retirements then I get it. All this stuff is showing is that the goverment has not been planning for the future.
The government in good faith did try. That is why we have Teachers Pension Plan but the plan is underwater because pension contributions by teachers were too low, market returns on investments are below expectation and nobody expected retired teachers to live a further 600 years and draw pensions for longer than they were in active service. Back to economic reality. BTW: Teachers had a chance to buy Bell for $42.75 a share in 2009 but chose to walk away. Maybe they should get new investment managers?
Well if that's the issue then get teachers to kick in more money and delay the year that they can retire. IF they want it so bad let them do that instead of take away benefits.
Given that the majority of people believe teachers are already generously compensated, the teachers unions are not gaining anything by these job actions.
oh you so wrong parents and kids are totally qualified to evaluate teachers, the evaluation would go something like this:
Parent: "ohh he is a bad teacher, he picks on my little Johnny all the time, even though he is a perfect angel, fire him!!!!"
student: "yo dude that teacher totally hates me, he always gets cheesed when I show up only 25 minutes late to class without even bringing a pencil or piece of paper, yeah man that mofo should be fired"
See, this is the generational divide. That kid will tell you he can look that up in 3 seconds so why bother filling his mind with that when he can instead fill it with 100 different ways to use modern technology. And you know what? A lot of the time they're RIGHT!
A simple solution to unfunded pension liabilities, which the taxpayer will have to pay, is to introduce define contribution pension plans. Currently they have defined benefit, meaning they can bank on an exact pension amount upon retirement which is indexed with inflation. i.e. they get a pension raise to match inflation levels. This is NOT real world economic prudence. Have them contribute a certain amount and fund managers do what they are paid to do. What-ever is in the pot on their contributions afterwards is what they get in terms of a life annuity. Defined contribution plans ARE economically prudent and would not affect taxpayers. I could see the absolute horror in union reps eyes if they were told this MIGHT happen. Their collective heads would spin, with heads explodiing. Welcome to the REAL world folks......
McGuinty also proposed, in the media, the Protecting Public Services Act that has powers much like bill 115. Anyone who works for a unionized environment may be interested to know that we'll be headed the way of Wisconsin if we can't get 115 repealed and if PPSA makes it into legislation and that isn't good for anyone (union spillover is what helps to keep non-union environments paying at a fair rate and providing some of the same benefits that unions have been able to achieve - no right to free collective bargaining and we can expect to see a general errosion of employment standards across the board).
Just my 2 cents.
xo Jane
Maybe McGuinty and Hudak could break the impass and get this thing seattled if they really mean what they say. One of the stumbling blocks is McGuinty's problem with the banked sick days and the bonus that is paid out to the teachers on retirement for having not used all entitled sick days each year. These are two separate issues if you take a serious look at the teacher contracts, not one issue as Dalton & Laura lead to you believe. The first reduces the need for short & some long term disabilty insurance keeping and keep Board's costs down. The payout issue is a bonus that reduces the need for supply teachers at a cost of $ 250 per day. The 2nd is therefore a retirement bonus. If Dumb and Dumber are really against a retirement / severance bonus as they say, why don't they show some real leadership and immediately cancel the packages that their MPP's receive for not running in the next election or losing the next election. There are all kinds of people working on contracts which is what elected MPP are doing (4 years per contract). These normal workers don't get a severance package because their contract is "cancelled". Why should MPP's? A teacher getting bonus of $ 40,000 (possible only if they were never sick more than 5 days per year for their entire teaching career) verses Dalton collecting $ 346,500 for screwing the province & taxpayers for 9 years. Again, Dalton & Tim should some real leadership, pass the legislation required to cancel the MPP's "retirement" bonus, then go back to the teachers and talk restraint. Maybe the teachers will listen to a real leader.
Yeah, and they get their pension from Leaf ticket revenue which the Leaf fans in Toronto pay for.I was listening to a retired school board trustee being interviewed the other day. He said it would drive him nuts when a principal would retire early, collect their pension and sick days then apply for a vice-principal job a few months later effectively double dipping. Or the teachers who retire, collect pension then get rehired as subs. He said they'd even tell people in meetings that they were going to retire and then double dip. I call Bullshit!
Suckers!!!!!
Hey the teachers and support staff have agreed to a 2 year wage freeze, and they don't need to go after the benefits....and before they went after teachers they gave every other UNION a pay raise and they did not take there benefits away. How is that far...
Damn, they cancelled the Christmas concert at my niece's grade school. She was so looking forward to singing Christmas carols with the other kids. Shame on you, teachers, shame on you. You broke an 8 year old girl's little heart because of your greed for paid sick days.
It is a shame. But it's also another example of the countless things that educators do, voluntarily/outside of their paid duties. These things really are taken for granted. I wonder how many people reflect on how much time and energy these type of things take to organize and put on. How many people say thank you (not that this is what the organizers would likely be looking for). This new bill (not the loss of sick days) is going to kill the goodwill in education that has been enjoyed in Ontario for a long time. The gov't needs to sit down and actually make an attempt to negotiate or this type of thing will be commonplace, sadly.
To the best of my knowledge, most boards have already gotten rid of paying out for accumulated sick days long ago.
The real picture
The so called "good will",...was really nothing more than handing over blank cheques.
The government was negotiating,...but greed intervened!!
FAST
The so called "good will",...was really nothing more than handing over blank cheques.
The government was negotiating,...but greed intervened!!
FAST
