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Teachers strike/walkout/protest

JohnLarue

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OK, I see you think that public service employees are leaches who suck on the teat of taxpayer dollars....I mean, just have the balls to say that
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demanding double digit increases over multiple years from a debt ridden province pretty much confirms public service employees do not respect the taxpayers and are abusing the province

I mean, just to have the balls to demand that increase

You don't think they have any positive value economically or to society.
People who generate positive economic value do not need to obtain their compensation via a strike or via a union threat of a strike

This scenario you describe purposefully misses what workers contribute to our society. To you, this is a black and white issue, you do not seem to have the ability to think of this with any nuance.
there is no nuance to demanding double digit increases over multiple years

The public sector unions will drive the province into insolvency & not lose a wink of sleep about it
Bob Rae gave them way too much power in 1990 & the debt burden is proof of what a mistake that was
The current debt is off the chart @ 380 billion
this will end very badly
 
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basketcase

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Lol...you really need to educate your self my friend...39k

Lack of information? Lol seriously? You actually believe that these individuals were lined up for food stamps as the union wanted you to believe? Typical lefty just worry about your pockets not the future of our kids...keep the blinders on my friend...
Oh the amazing refuting of facts with conspiracy theories. Welcome to the modern right.
 
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Anbarandy

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Wow, debt sure is going high under conservative leadership in Ontario.
"Skyrocketing, exploding, mushrooming, exponentially mutating", are all terms that can be factually employed to describe the legacy of conservative leadership. But more accurately descriptive would be, "just par for the course and on point standard fiscal operating policy and practices for Conservative governments".

"Vote for the Con Jobs if you love a mushroom cloud of debt."
 
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jimieboe

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Oh the amazing refuting of facts with conspiracy theories. Welcome to the modern right.
Lol...ok sure...now that just proves you don't have a clue...take care buddy, you are right I was totally wrong...best of luck to you...so typical
 

62goodtogo

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Okay but by your logic then the police work for us the taxpayers. And I say we defund the police since the money I pay in taxes pay them.
Then the police would not attend any calls that involve anyone who doesn't want to pay them.
 

62goodtogo

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Yes, the problem is that they should know this.
We should post that educational support workers will never be given a living wage ever, so they should just find other employment.
Let the kids rot, there are taxes that need saving.
Who needs educational support workers, didn't have them before.
 

silentkisser

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demanding double digit increases over multiple years from a debt ridden province pretty much confirms public service employees do not respect the taxpayers and are abusing the province

I mean, just to have the balls to demand that increase
I'm sorry, what? They are underpaid because the government (both Liberal and PC) have refused to pony up. Asking to be paid a fair and living wage for what is an essential service (maybe in name only) is not abusive.

People who generate positive economic value do not need to obtain their compensation via a strike or via a union threat of a strike


there is no nuance to demanding double digit increases over multiple years

The public sector unions will drive the province into insolvency & not lose a wink of sleep about it
Bob Rae gave them way too much power in 1990 & the debt burden is proof of what a mistake that was
The current debt is off the chart @ 380 billion
this will end very badly
Sadly, not all positive contributions to the economy can be measured in a rise in GDP or a lowering of the provincial debt. These people provide a service that you seem to look down on, they work hard, and they are under paid. And this bullshit about positive economic value sounds like you don't think factory or construction workers contribute. How fucked up is that thinking? Like seriously, unions are to protect the workers because management would love to never give pay increases or grind down individual workers salary to keep them inline.

And the reality here is that if these people don't get better pay....maybe they listen to you right-wing capitalists who tell them to get a better job. Then where would we be? Look at places like Florida which did this to teachers....and shockingly, they have a massive shortage of certified and licensed teachers. But, I'm sure you're all into something like trickle down economics and genuinely believe that tax cuts for the rich spur job growth. You just can't stand the idea that blue collar workers are going to get a few more bucks an hour...
 

JohnLarue

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I'm sorry, what? They are underpaid because the government (both Liberal and PC) have refused to pony up. Asking to be paid a fair and living wage for what is an essential service (maybe in name only) is not abusive.
you should be sorry
employers do not owe anyone a standard of living

if you want more compensation go get skills which are in demand and which command more compensation


Sadly, not all positive contributions to the economy can be measured in a rise in GDP or a lowering of the provincial debt
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in the real world the debt burden of any organization matters -
financial stability is required for sustainability

These people provide a service that you seem to look down on, they work hard, and they are under paid.
if they are underpaid they should be able to seek better compensation in the private sector
job postings are at an all time high
Canadian job vacancies have reached another all-time high | Canada Immigration News (cicnews.com)
a side benefit is they would not have to work for the 'evil' provincial govt

you will avoid this fact at all cost, ............no way you would give up milking the govt


And this bullshit about positive economic value sounds like you don't think factory or construction workers contribute. How fucked up is that thinking? Like seriously, unions are to protect the workers because management would love to never give pay increases or grind down individual workers salary to keep them inline.
lets break this down
"sounds like you dont think....."
do not tell me what I am thinking, you will get it wrong

' How fucked up is that thinking?'
your misrepresentation is pretty fuck up

'you don't think factory or construction workers contribute.'
if factory or construction workers did not create positive economic value the factory owner / construction company owner would not continue to employ them
you cannot run a constant deficit in the real world



And the reality here is that if these people don't get better pay....maybe they listen to you right-wing capitalists who tell them to get a better job. Then where would we be?
with a higher GDP , more skilled workers & less govt debt


Look at places like Florida which did this to teachers....and shockingly, they have a massive shortage of certified and licensed teachers.
Hmm , maybe we can hire those Florida teachers for less than $100,000+ a year & reduce the provincial debt

those poor Florida teachers would suddenly become "scabs" in your little mind

But, I'm sure you're all into something like trickle down economics and genuinely believe that tax cuts for the rich spur job growth
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an economy does require people to put capital at risk in order to grow
you should take some high school level economic and finance courses to start upgrading your understanding

You just can't stand the idea that blue collar workers are going to get a few more bucks an hour...
you cannot seem to understand the problem the public sector unions have created

this is unsustainable
the abuse started in 1990 when Bob Rea gave the public sector unions too much power
the result should be obvious even to you
it will end badly & hurt EVERYONE in Ontario
 
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somjay

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If you think that public sector employees actually add to the tax base, you need a lesson in Math.
How can someone add to the tax base when the money they use to pay taxes comes from the very taxes that are collected.

If you gave every public sector worker a pass on paying taxes and then reduced their salaries by that same amount, to keep all things equal, there would be absolutely no change to government revenue.
If you pay taxes, you pay taxes. Money doesn't care. It spends the same for everyone.
 

JohnLarue

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If you pay taxes, you pay taxes. Money doesn't care. It spends the same for everyone.
public sector employees are defiantly not self-funding
The source of the funds for the spend matters

This trend is not sustainable

 

Ghbff

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public sector employees are defiantly not self-funding
The source of the funds for the spend matters

This trend is not sustainable

What about the public sector employees who work at the CRA? They’re bringing in revenue which outweighs their salaries. There you go there’s a self sustaining system right there
 

Darts

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The LCBO generates revenue but then they are a government monopoly.

The lotteries also generate revenue but they are also a government monopoly.

Question: Can government owned entities/businesses generate revenue competing on a level playing field with the private sector?
 

squeezer

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The LCBO generates revenue but then they are a government monopoly.

The lotteries also generate revenue but they are also a government monopoly.

Question: Can government owned entities/businesses generate revenue competing on a level playing field with the private sector?
Your auto insurance is in the private sector, how's that working out for most?
 

Darts

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Auto insurance is private in some provinces and public in others.
 

somjay

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public sector employees are defiantly not self-funding
The source of the funds for the spend matters

This trend is not sustainable

Doctors and nurses aren't self-funding if you place no value on human life--as governments the world over have proved re: the pandemic. This is why you can't run government like a business. Ford's idea of running a business is bending over for developers. Run a freeway through the Holland Marsh? Sure. Pave over the Greenbelt. No problem. Businesses withhold capital to get what they want. Workers without labour.
 

JohnLarue

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Doctors and nurses aren't self-funding if you place no value on human life--as governments the world over have proved re: the pandemic. This is why you can't run government like a business.
The govt borrows, therefore you have to run govt like a business


you do not seem to get it
how will you pay the doctors and nurses when the lenders stop lending to govt ?
how will you pay for the imported medical equipment and imported medicines when the loonie trades at par with the peso ?


Ford's idea of running a business is bending over for developers. .
And tomorrow you will complain about how young folk cannot afford housing
we have a housing supply problem because of lack of development

Run a freeway through the Holland Marsh? Sure. Pave over the Greenbelt. No problem.
hysterical hyperbole


Businesses withhold capital to get what they want.
Business invest when the net present value of the investment exceeds their cost of capital

You hate what you do not understand

Workers without labour
???????
 

JohnLarue

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What about the public sector employees who work at the CRA? They’re bringing in revenue which outweighs their salaries. There you go there’s a self sustaining system right there
we shall treat that as a failed attempt at humor
nobody could be that stunned to believe that was an attempt at a logical argument
 

JohnLarue

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So how do you think taxes are collected in the country? Man come on.
So you were serious !!!!!!!

tax collectors do not generate economic value , no more than garbage collectors generate the garbage

take some high school level economics & finance courses so you can start learning something
 
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