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JohnLarue

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It is tiresome to correct someone who cannot understand English, but I will do it this last time: I said that all western governments are in huge debts, that WILL never be paid back.
Wrong
It is tiresome to correct someone who cannot understand how the debt markets work
really bad things happen when govt debt maturities are not honored
currencies become worthless, food imports stop etc

a more realistic outcome is lenders demand higher interest and then stop lending to the government with the most debt
Ask a Greek

Read this and understand it: governments will have to cut their spending

Have you told your pension fund manager about your theory ?


the really disturbing thing is you feel eventual government default is an excuse for governments to spend money like it is water
That is an insane plan which will break something for sure & you will not like the outcome
 
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basketcase

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Not sure which of those are "false claims" or what they have to do with the negotiations. And of course the Sun ignored that CUPE offer the province ignored last week was 5% and offered other concessions.

p.s. The hourly wage is a red herring as well as having that (allegedly essential) job prevents them from working somewhere that will offer the 40h.
 

basketcase

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I wonder if Johnny works for less and envies the workers at the "trough" making a whole $39000 a year?
Based on his posting, it seems he complains any time anyone else gets something and whines when he has to pay taxes.
 

basketcase

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The education unions long ago decided to NEVER back the Consrvatives and in fact run ads to hurt them on a regular basis. They chose the path to actively campaign against them not just during elections but during the entire tenure.

But if you notice the Conservatives had the backing of several trades unions this time. So its not that they are anti union. But economic realities kick in.
Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to campaign against people they see as hurting their interests?
 

basketcase

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you do not seem to follow along too well
if you offer to pay a doctor $39,000 / year, they will laugh at you and take their skill set elsewhere & they cannot be replaced
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Have you seen the impact on education in parts of the US who pay their school staff as little as possible?
 
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basketcase

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I think the construction trades are quite happy with efforts to increase housing builds. Have you tried getting contractors out to your house for repairs? I had work done a month ago, they didn't finish it. But I haven't paid a dime out. Still waiting for the finish.
As long as the developers make big profits right?

Developers cut corners as much as possible in their builds and their hiring. Affordable housing won't see much change either.
 

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The education unions long ago decided to NEVER back the Consrvatives and in fact run ads to hurt them on a regular basis. They chose the path to actively campaign against them not just during elections but during the entire tenure.
Which is funny
To work as a teacher you must join the union
Where your dues go to support political activity.

Nobody seems to have a problem with this.

I know that as a condition to work you had to support the Conservatives or No Seat Max and donate to the Fraiser Institute, the same people who are fine with the above would explode with rage. Even if 50 percent +1 voted in favor of this activity they would point out that political activity should not be a factor in employment.

Unions should not be allowed to engage in political activity. If union members want to do so they should do so as individuals or join groups whose membership isn't a requirement for employment.


I remember that in order to go to university in my then home province of Newfoundland I had no choice but to in effect help fund the Canadian Center for Policy Alternatives.
A government university... I had to support political think tanks. It was a requirement.

Of course left wingers don't care, they don't see a problem with it because they benifit.

It's like how they are opposed to FPTP voting systems... until the NDP get a majority with a minority of the votes, then they get real quiet.

Not that the other side is any different. I am not taking sides, people = shit as Richard Cheese sings.
 

Butler1000

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Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to campaign against people they see as hurting their interests?
I think all large entities in the private sector should have restrictions on political activity. Especially spending money on attack ads and political contributions.
 

Butler1000

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As long as the developers make big profits right?

Developers cut corners as much as possible in their builds and their hiring. Affordable housing won't see much change either.
I'm pretty sure all the workers are making money too. And affordable housing, of which I agree more should be built, is a govt responsibility.
 

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What you talking about???...I do know they dont get paid in summers or March break my point is...they knew this geting into the job. They have not got a raise because they were over paid to begin with....they like the hrs and the freedom of time off, full benefits and great pension with decent pay...buddy i said lets agree to disagree...stop talking like your more intelligent then me pls. You must be a liberal and belong to a union or work in the public sector...my hard working tax dollars keep giving you ppl good pay and great jobs....thank Christ for Ford...ppl are sick of our tax dollars over paying these individuals...bottom line you dont like it go get another job...stop crying and using kids as bargaining chips...this convo is over ...thx for your opinion.
Wow, just like you make assumptions about me and you assume they applied for the job knowing full well they would not get raises for years and years!! First off, I VOTED FOR FORD although I'm not happy with the way he is throwing around the notwithstanding clause, secondly, I hire people, and I DO NOT work for anyone except myself. I am in the private sector but I'm fair and realize folks in Toronto or Ontario for that matter cannot live on $39k a year unless it is a secondary income.
 

bestman007

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What's the big deal? Who needs teachers and school when you can become Premier of Ontario without an edumacation? 😆
 
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JohnLarue

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I'm pretty sure all the workers are making money too. And affordable housing, of which I agree more should be built, is a govt responsibility.
governments should not have the responsibility to build houses
they do have the responsibility to ensure housing development is not impeded by excessive regulation
loonie left municipal govts need to shed regulations

when demand exceeds supply, prices go up & that is what has occurred
 

Butler1000

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governments should not have the responsibility to build houses
they do have the responsibility to ensure housing development is not impeded by excessive regulation
loonie left municipal govts need to shed regulations

when demand exceeds supply, prices go up & that is what has occurred
Well if you prefer the mass homeless emcampments in every US city and town come up here sure. Me personally I'd rather not have them. And they are in EVERY city and state.
 
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jimieboe

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Seems like a very selfish trait but what do I know.
Not much obviously...:)
Wow, just like you make assumptions about me and you assume they applied for the job knowing full well they would not get raises for years and years!! First off, I VOTED FOR FORD although I'm not happy with the way he is throwing around the notwithstanding clause, secondly, I hire people, and I DO NOT work for anyone except myself. I am in the private sector but I'm fair and realize folks in Toronto or Ontario for that matter cannot live on $39k a year unless it is a secondary income.
Well....as I mentioned before we can agree to disagree...we are all entitled to our opinions...I to work for myself and hire people and believe I am pretty fair...but still believe if you dont like it you can leave...
 

jimieboe

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As I've mentioned before, most CUPE workers are salaried and don't get paid if they aren't at work. And a pension is pretty meaningless when based on a $39,000 salary.

Maybe you should get some education (maybe you need an educational assistant to help you).
Lol...sure send your wife over...i can educate her as well :)
 

Oldguy12345

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Besides the fact that these are not teachers (except for some early childhood etc. personnel), their starting demands were for a 12% raise each year for 4 years. So they want their pay to go from $40 g's a year to $60 g's a year. Isn't that special :rolleyes: !

Give them what they want or they'll go on strike and let the Parents of school kids that are locked out either maybe lose their jobs or pay for child care or .... they don't care, just give in to their demands.
Who honestly cares about other peoples kids?
So sick and tired of hearing about the poor kids and their parents
You have kids deal with it period . As someone that doesn’t have kids I’m shocked how much money the parents get from the gov just because you had kids
In this country people have the right to negotiate
Is the raise they are asking for crazy yes for sure , is the work generally unskilled yes for the most part but they have a union and that’s their right . I could care less about what the problems with be for parents because of a strike ! The Go employees are on strike this morning are they allowed to strike or is it ok for the gov to just force them back to work
 

JohnLarue

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Well if you prefer the mass homeless emcampments in every US city and town come up here sure. Me personally I'd rather not have them. And they are in EVERY city and state.
if govt allows more development housing can become affordable again
 
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