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Goodoer

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if govt allows more development housing can become affordable again
More development combined with densification is required. Everyone demands a lawn and so we continue to fuck ourselves.

It is at the point, we need to be like China and 'grow' a brand new city.
 

Goodoer

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...The leftists on this board are the ones who make lots of money.
The people who complain about paying taxes for public services are the ones who struggle to make things meet.
I'm not a Lefty and I make a lot of money. I believe in paying taxes, but I demand good stewardship of that money. When I do not see that, I don't want to pay taxes as I'd rather go private.
 

Goodoer

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Ford rescinded his notwithstanding bill.
The unions won that round.
CUPE said they are going on strike until they get a deal.
Then they said they are not on strike, they are just having a political protest.
Now they are back to work and in the same position they were in before the strike.
I wouldn't call it a win for anyone... If the sole reason for the NWC is to keep kids in school, it makes perfect sense to rescind it if CUPE was willing to come back to the table and call off the 'protest'.

Seems like a measured use of the NWC. Historians and policy-wonks will debate this.
 

Goodoer

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CUPE is going back to work in the same position.
Ford would kick ass in another election again right now.
Good move by CUPE to go back to work. They gauge the political climate just as much as Ford does.

I'd say I'm a slightly Right-leaning Centrist and I would vote for Ford again if an election dropped right now. It boggles my mind how the Canadian population reacts to things... Lose their minds about Ford, but cut Trudeau such slack for using the Emergencies Act...

TERB is a great melting pot... The absolute positions are scary. If we're all educated, rich people, we certainly do not show it as a whole. Zero tolerance for differing opinions.

We should all think of how to do better while we eat our produce picked by impoverished farmhands shipped in from Mexico while typing on our slave-labour-made computers and phones.
 
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JohnLarue

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"Bootstrapping" and blaming won't solve the problems.
describing why some are successful and some are not successful is not bootstrapping
and it is far more accurate than proclaiming half the population will never be successful because they are below average

half of the population is below average in any metric


And the move to sanctuary cities came as a result of poverty, it was not a cause of it.
your changing your story
'want to remain near jobs and family'' has now morphed into 'the move to sanctuary cities came as a result of poverty'



The streets of San Franscico were not always used as open toilets & there has always been poor people n the USA ( all countries for that matter)
you are lying to yourself if you deny sanctuary cities draws in junkies and drunks

And believe me, I was down in the USA recently. The homeless were in the small town we were in. As well I was in Vegas. And it isn't a sanctuary city by a long shot. They were everywhere there too.
there has always been beggars in Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg, Calgary, Halifax and Vancouver
I have been approached for money in smaller towns in Canada as well


My point being an address is so important. You need it for a job, to get a bank account, and for so many other things. WIthout it you become an "unperson". And can easily end up in the poverty cycle.
that right
many, (not all) wind up in the cycle because of decisions they have made in life
governments cannot fix that

if you cannot manage to get a bank account, you will not be able to manage a home , even a free one from the govt

There has always been and will always be poor people
you seem to think you can fix human nature
 
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JohnLarue

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More development combined with densification is required. Everyone demands a lawn and so we continue to fuck ourselves.

It is at the point, we need to be like China and 'grow' a brand new city.
Canada · Area
9.985 million km²

90% of the population lives with 100 miles of the US boarder

the problem 80% of the land is uninhabitable
 

Anbarandy

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CUPE said they are going on strike until they get a deal.
Then they said they are not on strike, they are just having a political protest.
Now they are back to work and in the same position they were in before the strike.
And Doug the Thug squatted, shat out a shit tsunami and then was force fed his own pile of shit by CUPE.

Howz dat for just desserts?
 
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Anbarandy

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More development combined with densification is required. Everyone demands a lawn and so we continue to fuck ourselves.

It is at the point, we need to be like China and 'grow' a brand new city.
The monetization of housing as an asset class is the problem as evidenced by the fact that 80% of all new unit condo sales are gobbled up by investors.

Housing has ceased to be what it used to historically be and now has become not much more than another monetized asset class for investors.
 

Malibuk

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I wouldn't call it a win for anyone... If the sole reason for the NWC is to keep kids in school, it makes perfect sense to rescind it if CUPE was willing to come back to the table and call off the 'protest'.

Seems like a measured use of the NWC. Historians and policy-wonks will debate this.
The legislation was never intended to be enforced.
It served it's purpose.

CUPE gave notice of a strike if they didn't get a deal.
Lecce told them to cancel the strike and negotiate.
They refused and then the legislation was tabled.
The fact that the legislation passed before the strike date does not mean that the strike was in response to the legislation, as CUPE now claims.
This is an absurd claim of victory.
Ford is the one who got his way.
 
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Anbarandy

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The legislation was never intended to be enforced.
It served it's purpose.

CUPE gave notice of a strike if they didn't get a deal.
Lecce told them to cancel the strike and negotiate.
They refused and then the legislation was tabled.
The fact that the legislation passed before the strike date does not mean that the strike was in response to the legislation, as CUPE now claims.
This is an absurd claim of victory.
Ford is the one who got his way.
Fark, the above is just about the most hilarious and ridiculous, red-faced, caught eating your own shit, revisionist fallacy and fantasy ever claimed.

If Ford's brainiac plan was to squat and unleash a shit-tsunami all over the honest, good, decent and fair people of Ontario and then being force-fed his own bullshit tsunami of shit that he intentionally squatted out by CUPE, then yes you are right and not only was/is he a monumentally stable and brilliant, genius leader of the bully, ruling caste, then he can parade on stage in front of the cameras with a red clown nose, balloons, curly orange wig, clown costume with large, large floppy webbed shoes and claim, "I'm The Wiz, I'm The Wiz and The Wiz always eats his own shit"
 
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Uncharted

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By the way, just as we all have one vote, we all pay taxes too.
If you think that public sector employees actually add to the tax base, you need a lesson in Math.
How can someone add to the tax base when the money they use to pay taxes comes from the very taxes that are collected.

If you gave every public sector worker a pass on paying taxes and then reduced their salaries by that same amount, to keep all things equal, there would be absolutely no change to government revenue.
 

squeezer

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If you think that public sector employees actually add to the tax base, you need a lesson in Math.
How can someone add to the tax base when the money they use to pay taxes comes from the very taxes that are collected.

If you gave every public sector worker a pass on paying taxes and then reduced their salaries by that same amount, to keep all things equal, there would be absolutely no change to government revenue.
So does your vote counts more than a public sector worker's vote??
Are their kids not affected by a strike as someone in the private sector??

They work and want to get ahead just like everyone else. It really is that simple. The Union's job is to fight for its members, again, it is that simple.
 
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Frankfooter

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Canada · Area
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90% of the population lives with 100 miles of the US boarder

the problem 80% of the land is uninhabitable
Ford is going to use up some of Ontario's arable Green Belt for housing.
Not affordable housing, not high density or near transit.
Just more of the same expensive housing because that's what developers want to build, cuz that's what makes them money.


Same as the landlord/tennant board, Ford only listens to developers which is why the board takes so long for non-corporate owners.

 

Ghbff

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If you think that public sector employees actually add to the tax base, you need a lesson in Math.
How can someone add to the tax base when the money they use to pay taxes comes from the very taxes that are collected.

If you gave every public sector worker a pass on paying taxes and then reduced their salaries by that same amount, to keep all things equal, there would be absolutely no change to government revenue.
I don’t think you quite understand how taxes work….

Let me guess. You’re the type of person to tell someone else not to take a promotion and raise because they’ll end up paying more taxes.
 

Malibuk

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Fark, the above is just about the most hilarious and ridiculous, red-faced, caught eating your own shit, revisionist fallacy and fantasy ever claimed.

If Ford's brainiac plan was to squat and unleash a shit-tsunami all over the honest, good, decent and fair people of Ontario and then being force-fed his own bullshit tsunami of shit that he intentionally squatted out by CUPE, then yes you are right and not only was/is he a monumentally stable and brilliant, genius leader of the bully, ruling caste, then he can parade on stage in front of the cameras with a red clown nose, balloons, curly orange wig, clown costume with large, large floppy webbed shoes and claim, "I'm The Wiz, I'm The Wiz and The Wiz always eats his own shit"
Ford is a genius for making idiots think that they have won something when they didn't.
CUPE is in the same position they were in before they planned the strike, sorry, political protest.

Actually, I don't believe CUPE is as stupid as you.
They are just trying to save some face, even if they make no sense.
 

Ghbff

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So does your vote count more than a public sector worker's vote??
Are their kids not affected by a strike as someone in the private sector??

They work and want to get ahead just like everyone else. It really is that simple. The Union's job is to fight for its members, again, it is that simple.
A simple concept being difficult for these morons to understand? I am shocked
 

Anbarandy

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Ford is going to use up some of Ontario's arable Green Belt for housing.
Not affordable housing, not high density or near transit.
Just more of the same expensive housing because that's what developers want to build, cuz that's what makes them money.


Same as the landlord/tennant board, Ford only listens to developers which is why the board takes so long for non-corporate owners.

Exactly, his brilliant housing plan is ONLY about granting his developer overlords wish list. A point by point a parroting for the developer's desires that does NOT do anything to make housing actually less unaffordable one bit, but solely exists to increase developer's obscene profits.

Until legislation is enacted to de-monetize housing and return it to it's rightful role in society, which is NOT to be employed as just another asset class by investors, housing will continue remain unaffordable.
 
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