Tariffs on Canada delayed for 30 days. Edit: Trump folds again. 90 day pause.

WyattEarp

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Congratulations on your 1-week anniversary of joining this board, Dave!! 🥴
Dave, you should congratulate mandrill on being a top poster on TERB. He and his former friend comfortably hold down the top two spots for posted messages. He always takes time out of his day to welcome the new members.

You should be more respectful of your elders here. ;)
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Rather I think there are regulatory impediments that close access to the market.
Regulatory impediments exist in every country for various reasons.
They exist in the US too and that includes foreign ownership of telecom.
The US is probably a little more flexible and easier to invest on a case by case basis than Canada is, but I dont think my previous comment that Canada isn't that drastically different than the US is inaccurate.
So your observation isn't as obvious as you might think it is.
For further reading from ChatGPT:
U.S. vs. Canada: Telecom Foreign Investment Restrictions
FactorUSACanada
Direct Foreign Ownership Cap20% (strict limit, no exceptions) for companies holding FCC licenses20% direct cap for large telecoms
Indirect Foreign Ownership Cap25% (FCC can approve higher case-by-case)33.3% indirect cap for large telecoms (46.7% total limit)
Approval for Exceeding Cap?Direct ownership: No exceptions
Indirect ownership: FCC can approve above 25%
No exemptions for large carriers
Small carriers (<10% market share) have no limits
Workarounds for Foreign Investors?Use U.S. holding company to bypass 20% direct limitUse indirect ownership, but strict total cap
National Security Review?CFIUS + Team Telecom (DOJ, DHS, DOD)Investment Canada Act + CSIS/Public Safety Canada
Foreign Ownership in Major Carriers?Allowed with FCC approval (e.g., Deutsche Telekom owns 50%+ of T-Mobile US)Not allowed for large carriers (Bell, Rogers, Telus all Canadian-owned)
Foreign Investment in Spectrum?Allowed with FCC approvalRequires CRTC & ISED approval (often restricted)
Foreign Investment in Infrastructure?Allowed with conditionsHighly restricted, especially in rural areas
Government Justification?National security & competitionNational security, cultural protection, sovereignty
 
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WyattEarp

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Regulatory impediments exist in every country for various reasons.
They exist in the US too and that includes foreign ownership of telecom.
The US is probably a little more flexible on a case by case basis than Canada is, but I dont think my previous comment that Canada isn't drastically different than the US is inaccurate.
So your observation isn't as obvious as you might think it is.
The U.S. has direct foreign ownership of large banks and telecom. I can't make it more obvious.
 

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hmm
you were talking about those afflicted with trump Devotee Syndrome.
but not about Trump, hmm
Exactly. trump, unlike his followers, is not a fool. There are times that he displays ignorance, but he is nobody's fool.

would you not agree Trumps biggest fan is Trump ? most narcissists are their own biggest fan
would you not agree that Trump has trump Devotee Syndrome?
So he is a tDSers, A tDSer to the max.
Seeing as he's the leader of the cult then he is not a follower. Most famous, successful people like billionaires, athletes, rock stars, movie stars have huge egos. That proves nothing. They are still is not a cult leader who has 80 million sheep ready to do his bidding and give up their free will. The other thing is that he doesn't actually believe half of the things he says. He knows he's playing the tDSers and laughing at them all the way to the bank/White House, for believing everything. It's like when he said that "his followers would support him even if he shot a man on 5th Ave". So he is not a tDSer.

If you are going to conduct a clinical psychology study, you can not bias your work by excluding a subject simply because you voted for him.
I believe that I am quite objective and do not display much bias. Trudeau in know way has a cult. TBH, I hardly follow Canadian politics. I don't even think that I even voted in the last couple of elections so you are missing the mark when you try to link me with Trudeau.
 
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JohnLarue

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You can explain the lack of foreign investment in Canadian telecom and banking anyway you want. Perhaps, it's just a market overlooked by larger American, European and Japanese telecoms and banks. Rather I think there are regulatory impediments that close access to the market. I wasn't the first one to point it out on this thread.
Oh yes there are regulatory impediments in those two sectors that close access to the market.
The banking industry regulations have ensure stability in that sector, via tighter capital requirements
Given what occurred in the USA in 2008 most Canadians would agree there are justifications for maintaining stability there.
Trump wont agree

The telecom sector / Media is also regulated and the rational is a little more murky.
Sum it up as part of our "we like you guys , but do not want to be Americans" view on life

there are also rules about servicing Quebec in French and servicing the far north
I am not sure American companies would want to take on those service requirements
Canada is very likely to stand its ground on these two industries
The French issue would be a real hornets nest to kick.
 

JohnLarue

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Exactly.

would you not agree Trumps biggest fan is Trump ? most narcissists are their own biggest fan
would you not agree that Trump has trump Devotee Syndrome?
So he is a tDSers, A tDSer to the max.
Seeing as he's the leader of the cult then he is not a follower. The other thing is that he doesn't actually believe half of the things he says. He knows he's playing the tDSers and laughing at them all the way to the bank/White House, for believing everything. It's like when he said that "his followers would support him even if he shot a man on 5th Ave". So he is not a tDSer.

If you are going to conduct a clinical psychology study, you can not bias your work by excluding a subject simply because you voted for him.
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I believe that I am quite objective and do not display much bias. Trudeau in know way has a cult. TBH, I hardly follow Canadian politics. I don't even think that I even voted in the last couple of elections.
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i can not figure out your response because of the quotes
 

DesRicardo

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it would be great if you were right
but you are not


the threat is still there


and what you expect would happen next ?
That's it??? You're stumped and flabbergast already?

Just remember the retaliation is still there too, but next time it will be stronger.

They don't think about what happens to us with Tariffs, So I wouldn't care about them. Trump is not a nice neighbour.

Trump folded. Play nice next time.
 

mandrill

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Dave, you should congratulate mandrill on being a top poster on TERB. He and his former friend comfortably hold down the top two spots for posted messages. He always takes time out of his day to welcome the new members.

You should be more respectful of your elders here. :D
Thank you, Earp.

I'm sure Dave has known me for several months already, if not several years. ;)
 

Frankfooter

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That's what being in a cult means.

Their own dignity and welfare is abandoned for the sake of their fraudulent, fictitious supreme being. Their adulation blinds them to what is staring them in the face. This is ALL cults.
One cult follower calling out another cult follower.
You didn't even notice when you became part of the same team.

Though here in Ontario, our own leader is also apparently a member of that cult.

 

JohnLarue

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That's it??? You're stumped and flabbergast already?
how can i be stumped when you did not answer the question ?
You do not mess with logic very often do you ?

Again
You want to turn of the gas to the USA
What do you expect would happen next ?

Just remember the retaliation is still there too, but next time it will be stronger.
Not without an election it wont be
Trudeau will be out of other peoples money by then and would have to reconvene Parliament

They don't think about what happens to us with Tariffs, So I wouldn't care about them. Trump is not a nice neighbour.
Yes Trump is not a nice neighbour , he is a bad man , he is mean, nasty and vindictive , he likely never played hockey and probably does not like Tim Hortons.
We know all that

Again
You want to turn of the gas to the USA
What do you expect would happen next ?
 

WyattEarp

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Oh yes there are regulatory impediments in those two sectors that close access to the market.
The banking industry regulations have ensure stability in that sector, via tighter capital requirements
Given what occurred in the USA in 2008 most Canadians would agree there are justifications for maintaining stability there.
Trump wont agree

The telecom sector / Media is also regulated and the rational is a little more murky.
Sum it up as part of our "we like you guys , but do not want to be Americans" view on life

there are also rules about servicing Quebec in French and servicing the far north
I am not sure American companies would want to take on those service requirements
Canada is very likely to stand its ground on these two industries
The French issue would be a real hornets nest to kick.
I'm really just pointing out to the naive or the deceptive that there is really ever free trade and unfettered investment between nations. It's just a negotiated slog.

The U.S. is not perfect, but since WW2 the U.S. has opened up its market to underpin global trade, investment and to bring emerging economies into the World order.
 
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The U.S. is not perfect, but since WW2 the U.S. has opened up its market to underpin global trade, investment and to bring emerging economies into the World order.
Until January 6, 2024, and this all changed with a stupid electorate voting in a felon/conman.
 
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WyattEarp

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Then why was Canada also threatened with the same tariffs?
If Trump solely goes after Mexico, he gets hit with picking on poor, brown Mexico. Good or bad, Canada could be a distraction. Challenging friend, neighbor and adversary alike can be deception on some level.

It's not obvious to me that this was part of the landscape on this.

This was just Trump being dumb, senile and hyper aggressive.

If this was all done because Trump hated Justin, why were the same threats made against the EU?
Follow the wider reach of all this global trade rhetoric. By the way, you said Trump was hyper aggressive. Then why wouldn't some of Trump's demeanor and actions with Trudeau be petty and personal?

The Trump Administration's stated goal is to reorganize the global trade order. The U.S. can't be the consumer of last resort for the global economy at this magnitude indefinitely. I'm not defending Trump and his antics per se. I'm just trying to look at the bigger picture on global trade. They have been my personal views long before Trump.

Trump will be massively criticized every step of the way on trade. If he stands up to China's unbalanced trade, he will still be criticized.
You know Americans need their cheap stuff. I just bought something today that used to come from China. It was made in Vietnam. In my opinion, that's a little bit of progress.
 
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