Sweden's refugee problem

[mandrill]

Yea. They got away with war crimes and are now living here without consequences. Doesn't mean they aren't the same sick fucks they alwas were. If a bank robber or a rapist manages to flee to a country with no extradition agreement with the countries where they committed their crimes that's ok in your book.

Don't deflect. Stay on topic. That's a whole other discussion.

 

[mandrill]

I remind myself of that every time I drive by a new Giant mosque

I get it. Only "Canadian heritage" folks get to worship. So a nice Anglican church is fine. But no mosques. Gotcha!

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Well, explain your point coherently and I'll respond to it.

As I understand it, you say that at some magical point in the future, Islamic immigrants will decide to go all out ISIS and declare Sharia Law in Etobicoke and start suicide bombing at malls and Leafs games. I say that's horseshit because there's no indication that Canadian Muslims are the least bit interested and entry is carefully screened.

What am I missing here?

The title of the thread was " Sweden's refugee problem" That's what I was referencing. You decided to splain that Hamas attacks haven't happened in Willowdale. I did point out that Canada is taking in all kinds of people who simply wander up to the border and by dint of the fact they made it here. As with Sweden. Nobody asked us.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Actually Israel is only 46% Jewish, which is why its apartheid. Jews are a minority.
The rest of Muslims and Christians.

Too bad there is no Palestine.

Shouldn't have blown your chances at a two state solution when you had them, eh?

Jews now a 47% minority in Israel and the territories, demographer says

Arnon Soffer says proportion of Jews between Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River lower than widely believed when non-citizens are taken into account

www.timesofisrael.com

Actually Israel is only 46% Jewish,
Bingo!
The Jews offered full citizenship and equal rights to all Arabs living there. Be voted to the Knesset. Serve in the army. Become a policeman. In Arab terms....victimized.

 

[Not getting younger]

Actually Israel is only 46% Jewish,
Bingo!
The Jews offered full citizenship and equal rights to all Arabs living there. Be voted to the Knesset. Serve in the army. Become a policeman. In Arab terms....victimized.

He, somehow, inexplicably is also missing the significance of those belonging to the Jewish faith, being victims of hate crimes the most. Not by a little, by a lot.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

He, somehow, inexplicably is also missing the significance of those belonging to the Jewish faith, being victims of hate crimes the most. Not by a little, by a lot.

Just a minute. I will check your spurious accusation.....
Comprehensive Listing of Terrorism Victims in Israel (jewishvirtuallibrary.org)


Oh.... whoops.....

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I dimly recall reading an article that it was exagerrated and the racial angle was played up by the tabloid press.



You can move to Dubai any time you want. The other Muslim countries don't have an immigrant-based growth strategy. Unlike Canada.


You mean we accommodate them more than we accommodate Latinos, Africans or Filipinos?

How so?

Dubai. Land of enchantment. In lockstep with every other Islamic paradise.

Human rights in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia


According to human rights organisations, the government of the UAE violates a number of fundamental human rights. The UAE does not have democratically elected institutions and citizens do not have the right to change their government or to form political parties. Activists and academics who criticize the regime are detained and imprisoned, and their families are often harassed by the state security apparatus.[1] There are reports of forced disappearances in the UAE; many foreign nationals and Emirati citizens have been abducted by the UAE government and illegally detained and tortured in undisclosed locations.[2][3] In numerous instances, the UAE government has tortured people in custody (especially expatriates and political dissidents),[4][5][6][7][8] and has denied their citizens the right to a speedy trial and access to counsel during official investigations.[2][3]

According to Human Rights Watch, the UAE detains those who criticize authorities, including hundreds of activists and academics, and Emirati laws discriminate against women, migrants and LGBT individuals.[1]

Flogging and stoning are legal forms of judicial punishment in the UAE due to Sharia courts. The government restricts freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and the local media are censored to avoid criticising the government, government officials or royal families. As a result, the UAE routinely ranks near the bottom of many international measures for human rights and press freedom.

Despite being elected to the UN Council, the UAE has not signed most international human-rights and labour-rights treaties, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families. In November 2020, the United Arab Emirates overhauled its legal system to loosen restrictions on alcohol consumption, permit cohabitation, and increase penalty for honor killings, among other changes.[9]


Flogging is a punishment for criminal offences such as adultery, premarital sex, and alcohol consumption.[17][18] Due to Sharia courts, flogging is legal with sentences ranging from 80 to 200 lashes.[17][19][20] Verbal abuse pertaining to a person's sexual honour is illegal and punishable by 80 lashes if it happened in public and at least one witness testify.[21] Between 2007 and 2014, many people in the UAE were sentenced to 100 lashes.[22][23][24][25][26][27] More recently in 2015, two men were sentenced to 80 lashes for hitting and insulting a woman.[28] In 2014, an expat in Abu Dhabi was sentenced to 80 lashes for alcohol consumption and raping a toddler.[29] Alcohol consumption for Muslims is illegal and punishable by 80 lashes; many Muslims have been sentenced to 80 lashes for alcohol consumption.[30][31][32][33][34][35][36] Sometimes 40 lashes are given.[37]

Illicit sex is sometimes penalised by 60 lashes.[38][39][40] 80 lashes is the standard amount for anyone sentenced to flogging in several emirates.[41] Sharia courts have penalised domestic workers with floggings.[42] In October 2013, a Filipino housemaid was sentenced to 100 lashes for theft committed after her employer discovered her illegitimate pregnancy.[43] Drunk-driving is strictly illegal and punishable by 80 lashes; many expats have been sentenced to 80 lashes for drunk-driving.[44][45][46][47][48][49] In Abu Dhabi, a man has been sentenced to 80 lashes for being drunk while with his girlfriend on the Corniche.[50] Under UAE law, premarital sex is punishable by 100 lashes.[51] The law has been changed to exclude expats.

Stoning is a legal punishment in the UAE. In May 2014, an Asian housemaid was sentenced to death by stoning in Abu Dhabi.[52][53] In 2006, an expatriate was sentenced to death by stoning for committing adultery.[54] Between 2009 and 2013, several people were sentenced to death by stoning.[55][56]

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I get it. Only "Canadian heritage" folks get to worship. So a nice Anglican church is fine. But no mosques. Gotcha!

Well, when they are the size of an aero plane hangar and they keep popping up, it's a tacit reminder that the congregation doesn't give a fuck about assimilating. It's definitely sending a message. "We're here now!" I guess a little congregational church in the neighborhood isn't really sending the same message. Most of the churches in my neighborhood are actually 90 % or so Chinese congregation. See what I mean? blending in? assimilating?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Well, when they are the size of an aero plane hangar and they keep popping up, it's a tacit reminder that the congregation doesn't give a fuck about assimilating. It's definitely sending a message. "We're here now!" I guess a little congregational church in the neighborhood isn't really sending the same message. Most of the churches in my neighborhood are actually 90 % or so Chinese congregation. See what I mean? blending in? assimilating?

kind of reminds me of this. lol

 

[Frankfooter]

But being Serbian or Croatian or Ukrainian or Russian dictate that opposing people should die when those ethnic groups are in their home countries. But not when they're in Canada.

But not if you're Palestinian and there is an opposing people in your home country?

 

[Frankfooter]

He, somehow, inexplicably is also missing the significance of those belonging to the Jewish faith, being victims of hate crimes the most. Not by a little, by a lot.

Not here and not there.
Not happening anywhere.

Islamaphobia is a bigger issue here and hate crimes in the apartheid one state Israel happen way more often to Palestinians. There were 233 settler terrorist attacks this year before Oct, according to B'tselem. That's way more than hate crimes on Israeli Jews.

 

[Not getting younger]

It is of utmost importance to YOU. Not to the individuals immigrating.

Odd assertion that given you are so against discrimination, that we Canadians be both inclusive, tolerant and culturally diverse.

You could also ask Francophones and indigenous people if there’s really any truth to that.

 

[dirtyharry555]

mandrill's blissful Canadian future.. I know this will warm Kautilya's heart.

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The points system weeded out the criminals, racists, and extremists.

This blatant racism won't extend to employment, community events, and other areas of life in wherever enclave these folks become a majority...

 

[Not getting younger]

Why is that an odd assertion? I don't think you understood my post.

I understood quite well. I don’t think you understand what it is you’re saying. Else Sikhs wouldn’t wear turbans for but one example of litteraly thousands. Jews wouldn’t celebrate Yom Kipper or A to Z

 

[Not getting younger]

What? No you you are responding out of context.

Harry, said that immigrants care about race of people in the place they immigrating to (For example, that Indians care about the fact that Canada is majority white). Well, they don't. I said, only HE does, because he cares about the race of the immigrants coming in and that he is projecting.

Immigrants don't care about the race of the people who exist in the country they immigrate to. The only thing they worry about is whether they are immigrating to a country that has laws that are inclusive and free, that won't infringe on their rights - such as wearing turbans, or celebrating Yom Kippur etc.,.

Here is what he said:



But as usual you are going to double down on your own misinterpretation and keep going on and on trying to justify what you said is accurate, which is goring to be a waste of everybody's time. I'll be surprised if your response is any different.

Oh really. So I’ve taken the time to carefully re-read 4 pages of debate. Twice. I see all kinds of words talking about race and ethnicity and cultures. With the central theme and context being how immigrants bring such things with them including their religious beliefs.

Here’s 1 reference post # 269

Society and culture are more fickle than raw statistics.

"One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel".

Here’s one by Mandrill that you didn’t disagree with or call horseshit either. Post #288

Being Italian or Greek isn't a religion.

But it's a culture.

And an adherence. Like a religion.

Here’s one by you in post #7

Ethnocentrism and culture trump academics and qualifications.

You know this all too well. I recall your TERB celebration of India's Mission to the Moon.

Enjoy today's version of Canada. It won't last long and it won't get any better.

No they don't. That only matters to you because you have very racist and xenophobic views, and you view everything through those 2 lenses.

Now here’s the response I thought was odd, which you have gone ape shit over. Aren’t you sensitive

You missed the point entirely.

The system is blind to ethnicity because it has no way to measure it... but the individuals coming in are not blind to it. It is foremost to them.

It is of utmost importance to YOU. Not to the individuals immigrating.

Given he is accusing you of missing his points, ironic that you……

-the system is blind to ethnicity. Yes? Don’t be afraid to answer…

-But individuals coming in, are not blind to it. not sure how you can dissagree with that when you see racism behind every closet, and white pigments all the time…

But what I found odd was your response.

It is of utmost importance to YOU. Not to the individuals immigrating.

So You’re saying people’s ethnicity and cultures are not important them. Many will beg to strongly disagree with you. And lmao what a triggered, overly sensitive, over reaction. Yeah so unimportant to you.

 

[Not getting younger]

Right. As expected, the same doubling down on something completely unrelated and something I did not even imply in my post. This will be my last post to you and I am not going to engage in this back and forth. Its not even interesting.

People immigrating, do not care about the host nation's primary ethnicity - they know that already. If someone had a problem with Canada being majority white, they wouldn't come to Canada in the first place. What they do care about is whether Canada is a good place to live, whether they will have the freedom to live their lives, whether they will get jobs etc., Harry on the other hand, says, the people immigrating care about the race of the people already living in Canada, which is nonsensical. It is projection. He cares about the race of the people immigrating, so he transfers that to immigrants to imply that "they must care about race just the way I do!". That is projection. Not reality.

Utter horse shit, cow manure and pig shit.

Why did you immigrate here? Because of our culture?

Odd assertion that given you are so against discrimination, that we Canadians be both inclusive, tolerant and culturally diverse

Don’t you feel foolish right now…

 

[mandrill]

The title of the thread was " Sweden's refugee problem" That's what I was referencing. You decided to splain that Hamas attacks haven't happened in Willowdale. I did point out that Canada is taking in all kinds of people who simply wander up to the border and by dint of the fact they made it here. As with Sweden. Nobody asked us.

Well, if PeePee decides to make resiling from the UN Treaty on Refugee Rights signed in 1952 by all Western countries an election promise, you can vote for him.

But no matter how much they whine about refugees, no right wing political party has ever recommended that as a party electoral platform because of the international embarrassment it would cause.

I doubt that thousands of Muslim refugees flood the Canadian border.

 

[mandrill]

Well, when they are the size of an aero plane hangar and they keep popping up, it's a tacit reminder that the congregation doesn't give a fuck about assimilating. It's definitely sending a message. "We're here now!" I guess a little congregational church in the neighborhood isn't really sending the same message. Most of the churches in my neighborhood are actually 90 % or so Chinese congregation. See what I mean? blending in? assimilating?

So Muslims should only have small churches?

How about Hindus and Sikhs and Buddhists?

C'mon. Immigrants are allowed to worship wherever they want. You just hate on Muslims and want to stomp them.

 

[Not getting younger]

Are you dyslexic by any chance? I mean to actually ask, not offend.

Lol, and that has what to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[Not getting younger]

Because that would explain the utter cluelessness of your posts.

But I think you did mention you were dyslexic in another post way back. So while it is still clueless, I understand why, but will refrain from going on and on about this, because I just don't have the patience.

Reminiscent of the same guy who couldn’t read cannot vs should not, best practices vs policy, applications vs interviews, nor grasp them. Says the guy that doesn’t mean to offend but is beyond transparent, so predictable and so utterly triggered and hyper sensitive, so ridiculously easy to read it’s a child’s game.

Why did you immigrate here Kautilya.