Not really, you did not take into consideration, language and cultural barriers, which is a great obstacle in Japan as is anywhere else, which is part of the point of these threads. Japanese women are far from being stupid.
Suggestions for Japan
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I agree there is a lot of BS in this thread
This whole defeated nation mentality and taking to arms is BS. Most of my friends, and I would like to believe a majority of the people over there abhor the thought of war and international conflict. They are living in a country that has seen the horrors of war up close, and my friends all have family who remember the suffering and waste. That is the reason the museums in Nagasaki and Hiroshima also have the words "Peace Memorial" in their titles. They are reminders to all about the horror of war, and a dedication to peace. The outcry in Japan when Japan sent 20 SDF troops to the Iraq War, and they were non-combatants, was huge. Many Japanese people saw this as their country supporting war, no matter if the cause is justified or not. I was in Tokyo and witnessed the massive protests and marches against the war in Iraq. Iwas actually stranded in Shinjuku because I was stuck in a small two block area and couldn't get through to the train station.
The fingerprinting of foreign nationals I have seen, although I have never been fingerprinted. It's just like going through security at an airport in the US, and even at Lester B...You have been randomly selected for a spot search...It's never random, and racial profiling is alive and well at Narita too.
I agree that language is a considerable barrier for most foreigners in Japan, just as it would be the same for a non-English speaker here. Some other good points I believe made so far are as follows:
"Japan has been fingerprinting and photographing foreigners entering the country since November 2007. It's not obvious, but the agent does it right at the immigration booth. I was recorded last year when I was there.
- Japan isn't xenophobic (but mainland China definitely is), they're self-conscious. A LOT of Japanese people enjoy traveling to other countries, but Japanese culture does think about their self-image a lot which often gets misinterpreted as being perhaps racist or anti-American.
- The idea that you still think that Japanese women will all flock to you because you're a foreigner is laughable. You're obviously a sex tourist. Don't deny it. This immature belief only reinforces stereotypes and makes you look like a fool. Your chances with a Japanese girl depends on your personality just like anyone else there.
- It's definitely true that Japan isn't foreigner friendly when it comes to mongering and punting. And even if you're fluent in Japanese they would have reservations about letting you in. I have no idea why. You have to ask yourself if it's really worth your trouble just to get your rocks off when nobody wants to entertain you. If you do get in, prices are about $300/hr CAN. " This statement is very true.
"Don't be silly. Your chances are about the same as they are with a comparably hot girl here. If you have enough money, looks, charm or combination thereof, then your chances are about the same with a Japanese as any other girl." I agree with this statement 100% if you add "are fluent in Japanese" and have "lots of money".
"True, just about all of the very beautiful Japanese women that I have observed, were with Japanese guys." I have to agree pretty much with this too.
Some excellent points were also made by canada-man and goodtime. Your answers show that you definitely have spent extended periods of time there. luckyjackson comments were also funny as hell. I really liked "Wow. Like...."mystical" man. don't want to ruin your moment, but for my sake, would you mind if we add, "knows Japan is a sovereign country", to the list of criteria that qualifies you for "normal"? "
But lomotil I am confused that you are making statements that we are to attribute to your time and experiences spent over there, but then you tell us "it is a beautiful country with amazing history, unique cultural, extraordinary manufacturing prowess, and last but not least, alluring women, a place that one day I would like to tour, fingerprinting or not." Have you actually been to Japan?
Your insistence that any guy who looks like a character from a manga or anime will score is ridiculous. Who actually looks like a character from an anime or manga?? Even all the cosplayers don't look like the characters, and they are trying to. The whole square jawed General Mcarthur thing
being an attraction is also so far off the mark. If you are a pretty boy JE type guy, you can get a girl, and guess what JE guys are all japanese. That's not to say foreigners don't get girls over there, as some do. The operative word is some, not all. It has been covered by myself and other members previously in this thread, so no need to rehash it.
Also the Japanese never signed the Potsdam Declaration, which in itself was not a treaty. It was a document which outlined the Allied terms of Japan's surrender in WWII. Japan actually rejected the Potsdam Declaration, which led to the US dropping the atomic bombs. Afterwards Japan did sign the Japanese Instrument of Surrender which did end the war, and led to the creation of the Japanese Consitution. No matter what you may think, Japan is a sovereign nation.
This whole defeated nation mentality and taking to arms is BS. Most of my friends, and I would like to believe a majority of the people over there abhor the thought of war and international conflict. They are living in a country that has seen the horrors of war up close, and my friends all have family who remember the suffering and waste. That is the reason the museums in Nagasaki and Hiroshima also have the words "Peace Memorial" in their titles. They are reminders to all about the horror of war, and a dedication to peace. The outcry in Japan when Japan sent 20 SDF troops to the Iraq War, and they were non-combatants, was huge. Many Japanese people saw this as their country supporting war, no matter if the cause is justified or not. I was in Tokyo and witnessed the massive protests and marches against the war in Iraq. Iwas actually stranded in Shinjuku because I was stuck in a small two block area and couldn't get through to the train station.
The fingerprinting of foreign nationals I have seen, although I have never been fingerprinted. It's just like going through security at an airport in the US, and even at Lester B...You have been randomly selected for a spot search...It's never random, and racial profiling is alive and well at Narita too.
I agree that language is a considerable barrier for most foreigners in Japan, just as it would be the same for a non-English speaker here. Some other good points I believe made so far are as follows:
"Japan has been fingerprinting and photographing foreigners entering the country since November 2007. It's not obvious, but the agent does it right at the immigration booth. I was recorded last year when I was there.
- Japan isn't xenophobic (but mainland China definitely is), they're self-conscious. A LOT of Japanese people enjoy traveling to other countries, but Japanese culture does think about their self-image a lot which often gets misinterpreted as being perhaps racist or anti-American.
- The idea that you still think that Japanese women will all flock to you because you're a foreigner is laughable. You're obviously a sex tourist. Don't deny it. This immature belief only reinforces stereotypes and makes you look like a fool. Your chances with a Japanese girl depends on your personality just like anyone else there.
- It's definitely true that Japan isn't foreigner friendly when it comes to mongering and punting. And even if you're fluent in Japanese they would have reservations about letting you in. I have no idea why. You have to ask yourself if it's really worth your trouble just to get your rocks off when nobody wants to entertain you. If you do get in, prices are about $300/hr CAN. " This statement is very true.
"Don't be silly. Your chances are about the same as they are with a comparably hot girl here. If you have enough money, looks, charm or combination thereof, then your chances are about the same with a Japanese as any other girl." I agree with this statement 100% if you add "are fluent in Japanese" and have "lots of money".
"True, just about all of the very beautiful Japanese women that I have observed, were with Japanese guys." I have to agree pretty much with this too.
Some excellent points were also made by canada-man and goodtime. Your answers show that you definitely have spent extended periods of time there. luckyjackson comments were also funny as hell. I really liked "Wow. Like...."mystical" man. don't want to ruin your moment, but for my sake, would you mind if we add, "knows Japan is a sovereign country", to the list of criteria that qualifies you for "normal"? "
But lomotil I am confused that you are making statements that we are to attribute to your time and experiences spent over there, but then you tell us "it is a beautiful country with amazing history, unique cultural, extraordinary manufacturing prowess, and last but not least, alluring women, a place that one day I would like to tour, fingerprinting or not." Have you actually been to Japan?
Your insistence that any guy who looks like a character from a manga or anime will score is ridiculous. Who actually looks like a character from an anime or manga?? Even all the cosplayers don't look like the characters, and they are trying to. The whole square jawed General Mcarthur thing
being an attraction is also so far off the mark. If you are a pretty boy JE type guy, you can get a girl, and guess what JE guys are all japanese. That's not to say foreigners don't get girls over there, as some do. The operative word is some, not all. It has been covered by myself and other members previously in this thread, so no need to rehash it.
Also the Japanese never signed the Potsdam Declaration, which in itself was not a treaty. It was a document which outlined the Allied terms of Japan's surrender in WWII. Japan actually rejected the Potsdam Declaration, which led to the US dropping the atomic bombs. Afterwards Japan did sign the Japanese Instrument of Surrender which did end the war, and led to the creation of the Japanese Consitution. No matter what you may think, Japan is a sovereign nation.
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this thread supposed to be "suggestion for Japan" thread. Now, it has turned to be "history of Japan" thread. 
Nothing wrong with learning something every now and then really.this thread supposed to be "suggestion for Japan" thread. Now, it has turned to be "history of Japan" thread.
The SP industry in Japan seems to be operated predominantly by the Yakuza and is set up to serve Japanese men only, unlike places like Thailand. It seems that foreigners rarely get in, and if they do, it is often with the help of a Japanese man. My conclusion is that Japanese society in general tolerates practices such as "enjo kosai" which is the sexual interaction between schoolgirls and married men for money or gifts, and the Soapland phenomenon, but is very adamant about protecting gajin from touching their women. My experiences with Japanese women are from the candor of the ones that I have met in the GTA, usually ESL students, and my information about the SP industry, "enjo kosai", love motels, host bars, or the general social scene in general in Japan is from them also. My very limited experience in Japan consists of a chaperoned visit as a team member in a sports event as a teenager, we landed at Norita airport in Honshu, did not leave the airport, and travelled directly to Sapporo in Hokkaido and as I mentioned I would like to tour all of Japan but as an adult, not for the purposes of mongering but to see the cultural sites and technical marvels of this brilliant and regimented society. My illusions about geisha like Japanese women have been shattered by my experiences with Japanese women in the GTA, so I would not waste my time travelling to Japan soley for the purposes of mongering. I realize that the Japanese ESL students that I have met, do not constitute the entire opinions and behaviour of the entire Japanese society, but it constitutes my limited experience at this time. After the Japanese surrender in 1945, Japan had democracy imposed on them in 1947 and it would be interesting to see what would happen if the Allied occupation were to depart and a new constitution were drafted resulting in complete sovereignty. I do not think that this will happen anytime soon.
oh absolutely. No one ever said it was wrong.
It is just the main topic and purpose of the thread is looking for suggestion on hobbying in Japan.
Beside, we have the other forum category to post other topics. As you can see, this thread now has more history lesson than the OP's reason for starting the thread.
True, Thailand industry depends on the sex tourists while Japan caters to domestic. Both with underground connection btw.
Point taken, I will end the history lessons, unless something I just can't ignore comes up here again.
I posted too soon I think...
Back to the subject
Okay, here is a good place for a newbie to Tokyo who wants some action. Try out New York New York, in Ueno. They have always been gaijin-friendly, and a pretty easy introduction into the scene. Get off at Ueno Station, (Metro or JR) and exit out the South Exit. It is not too far from there, just look for the BIG BIG (probably 25 or 25 foot tall) picture of the Statue of Liberty. There is no English sign, the only English sign is once you enter the building, in the waiting room. They don't offer FS, and the fastest way to get asked to leave is asking for FS repeatedly, as that shows you don't understand the system of the shop. Basically you are in the waiting room, then you go to the desk, pick your girl from the photos shown you of who's available, and pay the fee. I haven't been there in a few years, the fee was 9,600 yen then, or around $110 CDN now for an hour. The girl takes you upstairs to your room. You get undressed, and you take a seat on a small stool. The girl gets naked, and proceeds to scrub you down with soap and a cloth. You get rinsed off, and then you soak in a Japanese style tub for a bit. The first time I went there the girl gave me a toothbrush, probably because I had been drinking, and you could smell the booze on me. You get led out of the tub, and dried off. The girl will lay you down on the futon, and beging kissing with you. Both times I got DFK, but I don't know if that is the norm. After a lot of kissing and stroking, she starts with a BBBJ, and DATY was allowed, 69 and digits. She will move around into a few positions and finish you off. Both times I visited, CIM was the finish, again don't know if this is the norm. After that it was back on the stool to get scrubbed down, back in the tub for a few minutes, and the girl will rub your shoulders and play with you under the water. I figured they do that to try to get you to do another hour. After that, out of the tub, get dried, and then on the futon with a clean sheet for a massage. After that, she helps you get changed, and then she takes you downstairs, says goodbye, and you are on your way.
It's late, time to go, but I will post some other places later on if anyone is interested.
Okay, here is a good place for a newbie to Tokyo who wants some action. Try out New York New York, in Ueno. They have always been gaijin-friendly, and a pretty easy introduction into the scene. Get off at Ueno Station, (Metro or JR) and exit out the South Exit. It is not too far from there, just look for the BIG BIG (probably 25 or 25 foot tall) picture of the Statue of Liberty. There is no English sign, the only English sign is once you enter the building, in the waiting room. They don't offer FS, and the fastest way to get asked to leave is asking for FS repeatedly, as that shows you don't understand the system of the shop. Basically you are in the waiting room, then you go to the desk, pick your girl from the photos shown you of who's available, and pay the fee. I haven't been there in a few years, the fee was 9,600 yen then, or around $110 CDN now for an hour. The girl takes you upstairs to your room. You get undressed, and you take a seat on a small stool. The girl gets naked, and proceeds to scrub you down with soap and a cloth. You get rinsed off, and then you soak in a Japanese style tub for a bit. The first time I went there the girl gave me a toothbrush, probably because I had been drinking, and you could smell the booze on me. You get led out of the tub, and dried off. The girl will lay you down on the futon, and beging kissing with you. Both times I got DFK, but I don't know if that is the norm. After a lot of kissing and stroking, she starts with a BBBJ, and DATY was allowed, 69 and digits. She will move around into a few positions and finish you off. Both times I visited, CIM was the finish, again don't know if this is the norm. After that it was back on the stool to get scrubbed down, back in the tub for a few minutes, and the girl will rub your shoulders and play with you under the water. I figured they do that to try to get you to do another hour. After that, out of the tub, get dried, and then on the futon with a clean sheet for a massage. After that, she helps you get changed, and then she takes you downstairs, says goodbye, and you are on your way.
It's late, time to go, but I will post some other places later on if anyone is interested.
Japan has the power to govern itself interms of making and imposing certain laws, imposing and collecting taxes and engaging in commerce with foreign nations, but Japan is still occupied by the allies and cannot make war or peace or have a standing army, powers that a truly sovereign nation has.
Once the occupation by allies ends, and Japan has its' own army, controlled by Japan, then Japan would be a sovereign nation as they were before their defeat and surrender in World War II. A truly sovereign nation would not tolerate occupation by a foreign army would they? Ironically, Japan occupies a good portion of the United States Treasury, with their massive holding of US Tbills. Korea and Japan have a disputed island area, which both claim sovereignty over, but Korea occupies this island called Dokdo. Japan is not permitted to take this island back by military force. Despite all of the vitriolic debate which belongs in another forum, hobbying is still permit in Japan.
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I thought this was going back on topic?
It's no surprise that the yakuza control a lot of the sex trade in Japan, just as organized crime controls the sex trade in the majority of countries. But in certain areas of Tokyo, especially Kabukicho and Ueno, the triads control probably 30 to 40 percent of the sex trade. Three years ago, things actually got violent, with a bunch of people on both sides getting shot and stabbed when I was over. Also your view that enjo kosai is tolerated is not correct. Considering that the last time that was a trend among junior and high school students was probably 7 or 8 years ago, the crackdown on that is pretty severe. They are busting guys from incidents 4 or 5 years ago still. Not to say that it isn't happening, as it does occur, but not as much as most people in other countries think. I know it is a big fantasy for a lot of guys outside Japan, but it is not that common anymore, and they come down hard on guys they catch. I won't even comment on the last post.
Here is another gaijin-friendly place, with probably the best name in the sex business, in the world...Miss Puke! That's the actual name of the place, although the sign says Misupuke, and they have a bunch of locations. I went to the one by Ikebukuro, and it's really close to the station. Go out the east exit, by the taxi stands and bus stop(s). If you see a McDonalds across the street to your left, you are at the right exit. Be careful as there is also a McDonalds across the street from the west exit, but it is to your right. Turn left out of the east exit, and walk about 1 minute. There will be a Family Mart convenience store , and then two buildings after that (I think) you will see a tall white building, and there is a restaurant with wooden doors on the ground floor. There will also be a bunch of electric signs hanging down the front of the building.Just past the restaurant doors you will see another door that leads to the other levels. Miss Puke is on the 8th floor I think. It was either the top floor or the second from the top.
Misupuke is a Thai massage place, and you will at least get a HJ finish. A friend has told me that they offer more, such as oral and even FS, but I never was offered anything else except a HJ. I think if you went a couple of times, and the girls became familiar with you, the menu would open up. The massage was actually really good, and it was an authentic Thai style massage, so be prepared to have your calves, hamstrings and thighs just crushed. The girls when I was there were Chinese and Thai, although looking at the staff pictures when I was waiting showed a couple of Japanese girls working there too. The price was around 8,000 yen for an hour, with the girl showering you before and after. It was a really good massage, the HJ was pretty good, and the girl was attractive enough. I think most of the locations are okay with foreigners, and there are a few of them spread through Tokyo, so they are a good option.
It's no surprise that the yakuza control a lot of the sex trade in Japan, just as organized crime controls the sex trade in the majority of countries. But in certain areas of Tokyo, especially Kabukicho and Ueno, the triads control probably 30 to 40 percent of the sex trade. Three years ago, things actually got violent, with a bunch of people on both sides getting shot and stabbed when I was over. Also your view that enjo kosai is tolerated is not correct. Considering that the last time that was a trend among junior and high school students was probably 7 or 8 years ago, the crackdown on that is pretty severe. They are busting guys from incidents 4 or 5 years ago still. Not to say that it isn't happening, as it does occur, but not as much as most people in other countries think. I know it is a big fantasy for a lot of guys outside Japan, but it is not that common anymore, and they come down hard on guys they catch. I won't even comment on the last post.
Here is another gaijin-friendly place, with probably the best name in the sex business, in the world...Miss Puke! That's the actual name of the place, although the sign says Misupuke, and they have a bunch of locations. I went to the one by Ikebukuro, and it's really close to the station. Go out the east exit, by the taxi stands and bus stop(s). If you see a McDonalds across the street to your left, you are at the right exit. Be careful as there is also a McDonalds across the street from the west exit, but it is to your right. Turn left out of the east exit, and walk about 1 minute. There will be a Family Mart convenience store , and then two buildings after that (I think) you will see a tall white building, and there is a restaurant with wooden doors on the ground floor. There will also be a bunch of electric signs hanging down the front of the building.Just past the restaurant doors you will see another door that leads to the other levels. Miss Puke is on the 8th floor I think. It was either the top floor or the second from the top.
Misupuke is a Thai massage place, and you will at least get a HJ finish. A friend has told me that they offer more, such as oral and even FS, but I never was offered anything else except a HJ. I think if you went a couple of times, and the girls became familiar with you, the menu would open up. The massage was actually really good, and it was an authentic Thai style massage, so be prepared to have your calves, hamstrings and thighs just crushed. The girls when I was there were Chinese and Thai, although looking at the staff pictures when I was waiting showed a couple of Japanese girls working there too. The price was around 8,000 yen for an hour, with the girl showering you before and after. It was a really good massage, the HJ was pretty good, and the girl was attractive enough. I think most of the locations are okay with foreigners, and there are a few of them spread through Tokyo, so they are a good option.
This isn't really true. Though you may here even Thais themselves claiming that their sex industry exists for foreigners, that's not true. The side of the industry that caters to foreigners is brasher and glitzier, more visible. But the network that caters to Thais is way way bigger, and present in every little town.
Judging by his hilariously pathetic posts here, lomotil is a total pseud too silly to realize what an ass he's making of himself.
Japan's constitution was written to satisfy the allies and is underwritten by the allies. The treaties signed after the war may proclaim Japan's sovereigty but were just facades to allow for a sense of national continuity after the defeat in World War II and to establish Japan as an ally of the United States in Asia. The Japanese constitution says that "land, sea and airforces as well as other war potential shall never be maintained", but ironically the technological advanced Self Defence Force (SDF) exists. Japan has the seventh highest military expenditure in the world. It is believed that withing 30 days of a nuclear attack on Japan from N. Korea, Japan can assemble their own nuclear weapon. Former PM, Koizumi contravened article 9 of the constitution by deploying the SDF to Iraq in hopes of formally eradicating article 9, which would give Japan true sovereignty and some have argued that this would spur efforts to allow Japan to become a military nation again. Koizumi's successor, Abe also tried to repeal article 9, but was distracted by attacks on his governments weak performance during the current economic crisis. All things being equal, in an economically strong, recession free Japan, it is obvious that is polictically expediant to get rid of article 9 of the constituton. Currently Japan is not allowed a seat on the United Nations Security Council There are 35, 000 American troops currently in Japan, and America has maintained a military presence since the World War II. It seems that there is great public sentiment in Japan to dissuade the government from allowing Japan to become a military nation again, yet there exist an underlying current in favour of full militarization again and the formal withdrawl of American troops. America wishes to appease and work with the powerhouse China these days, and China's voracious appetite for US Tbills, even greater than that of Japan's would cause America to exert heavy pressure on Japan not build up arms for fear of offending China. Democracy was forced on Japan by the allies and is reflected in the constitution. Had the allies not successfully invaded Japan, then there would be virtually no chance of hobbying in Japan today.
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The girls when I was there were Chinese and Thai, although looking at the staff pictures when I was waiting showed a couple of Japanese girls working there too. The price was around 8,000 yen for an hour, with the girl showering you before and after. It was a really good massage, the HJ was pretty good, and the girl was attractive enough. I think most of the locations are okay with foreigners, and there are a few of them spread through Tokyo, so they are a good option.[/QUOTE]
Is there alot of bait and switch in Tokyo, say Chinese, Thai, Philipinas substituted for Japanese women, as sometimes occurs in the GTA?
The girls when I was there were Chinese and Thai, although looking at the staff pictures when I was waiting showed a couple of Japanese girls working there too. The price was around 8,000 yen for an hour, with the girl showering you before and after. It was a really good massage, the HJ was pretty good, and the girl was attractive enough. I think most of the locations are okay with foreigners, and there are a few of them spread through Tokyo, so they are a good option.[/QUOTE]
Is there alot of bait and switch in Tokyo, say Chinese, Thai, Philipinas substituted for Japanese women, as sometimes occurs in the GTA?
Are you an apologist for the late Hirohito eh Fonzie, you seem to deny Japan's defeat in the Second World War and are unable to relate it to Japan's current state of affairs? You are unable to read between the lines. Happy hobbying to you.
The good thing about Tokyo, Osaka and Sapporo (the only cities I've really looked for any fun in Japan), is that there was no bait and switch that I could see. Now I could be wrong, but with my crappy Japanese reading skills, I couldn't see any b&s in the places I checked out. A lot of times I just walked in, if I could, to see what the place was about. I would either look at the girls posted on the list or in the book, and the pictures were always real and matched up to the girl. I have never seen any b&s like here, especially with trying to pass off a non-Japanese girl as a Japanese girl. The sex industry over there just doesn't seem to go for that type of deception. Since so many of them post pictures outside, or just inside the entrance, you can tell by the pictures what nationality the girls will be inside. That being said, a lot of the girls working the street that are Chinese, Thai, etc. will try to pass themselves off as Japanese to a foreigner if he shows interest...and can speak the language.
