Can find those that would be happy if you paid for the trip (no other big fees on top of that) - some of these girls are working minimum wage jobs and can't afford to travel
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That's valid, each girl will have their own comfort level, if you're just looking for a consistent/longer term side piece, you can do it over WhatsApp
If you want more privacy, Telegram can work too
yes from my limited time in the sugar world I certainly got that impression. Especially if you had a semi regular girl that you had seen a few times and had some chemistry with
Taking her on a trip would be "sugar" since she couldn't or wouldn't want to pay for herself to go
The best sex I've ever had is with sugar babies. While SPs are good, there is almost always a detachment to them, and they usually don't get carried away, and I feel they make an effort not to cum or enjoy the proceedings too much. It IS, in the end, a job for them. Sugar babies usually don't know enough to put up that emotional barrier. It's incredible to be fucking a beautiful 20 something year old without a condom, and she's begging for you to cum in her after you've made her orgasm. They'll stick around after the orgasm, they're usually not in any rush, and for $5-700 for three hours or more. But picking through the ugly ones, the crazy ones, the flaky ones, the bots and scam artists is a real pain in the ass. And then you have to not develop strong feelings on your end, otherwise it WILL go sideways on you.
So all that said, I try to see a mix of the two. Toronto has some pretty fucking amazing sugar babies and lately, especially after COVID, I think they're heads and shoulders better than the SPs here. The best SPs here have become so expensive.
Montreal, the sugar baby/SP competition is closer to par. The SBs there ask for less - less money, less headache... But then the hot SPs there are hot and still pretty cheap.
NYC, the sugar babies are so crazy demanding and expensive that even though they're hot, the headache and cost tips it to SPs. 9 out of 10 SBs demand $1000 per meet, and it's hard to make the hot ones budge from that number.
So all that said, I try to see a mix of the two. Toronto has some pretty fucking amazing sugar babies and lately, especially after COVID, I think they're heads and shoulders better than the SPs here. The best SPs here have become so expensive.
Montreal, the sugar baby/SP competition is closer to par. The SBs there ask for less - less money, less headache... But then the hot SPs there are hot and still pretty cheap.
NYC, the sugar babies are so crazy demanding and expensive that even though they're hot, the headache and cost tips it to SPs. 9 out of 10 SBs demand $1000 per meet, and it's hard to make the hot ones budge from that number.
is it generally safe? And do you try to protect your identity or put it all on the table?
Plow through this thread for more, but here’s what I’ve said on the topic a while ago.
This may all sound paranoid, and most of the time it is. But if a girl is mad at the way it ended, and a bit, nuts, she can make your life miserable. Better safe than sorry, and all doubly important if you’re not single and need to hide this side of your life.
Never tell an SB your real name. Have an alias and stick to it. This can include a well rehearsed back story too.
Never let an SB know where you live. Lie about even the area of town you're from.
Never tell an SB where you work or even your real profession in any detail.
Never share too much about your personal life that could allow her to figure out any of the above.
Protect yourself with information. IME some girls aren’t very careful about their own information so take a mental note whenever you find something out about her. Does she want her family or co-corkers to know she’s a SB? Maybe not. So have some knowledge to throw back and let her know not to fuck with you if shit hits the fan.
do you typically do allowance or ppm for your sugar babies? and what do top tier rates look like? I'm thinking $500ppm or $2k allowance for 4-6 meets/month
Stick with PPM, then promote to an allowance if you want?
I've never done allowance myself and feel there is no need to go in that direction unless you want a Full time SB girlfriend.
Allowance is mostly a scam imo. PPM is more clear, we meet, you get paid, simple
Got my Hinge ban lifted by sending an email to hello@hinge.co. However I let my burner phone # expire. (Was SpeakOut) Didn’t want to risk using my main phone number linked to a Hinge account that was Previously banned. So I got a new cellphone # with Lucky mobile. $19/month. ( I will just pay again in 3 months to retain the number). eSIM issues to get activated. Took in person to Bell. Paid Hinge for one week. Sure enough, not many females nearby. I’m on the east coast for the season. I’ll try again when back in GTA in fall. Btw, I’ve had to enter my burner cellph # again. In the past, I only entered a # once ; to activate the account
is seeking still the best site or sugardaddymeets? i been on seeking and it doesn’t seem like a lot of profiles on. barely people messaging back.
I thought PPM was not allowed on Seeking etc.? I have avoided it since I have no interest in a high-cost allowance.
Ugh, reading this I was considering trying seeking now, maybe not. If there are not many profiles and it is more expensive I am not sure I will try it. I had some success on SD meet but I have also had MASSIVE misses there
In the end probably easier to just stick with SP's
In the end probably easier to just stick with SP's
it seems like seeking is flooded by men and a small pool of young women. and because of that they barely message back since it’s like the online dating pool for them. also asking for 800-1k even the fat ones ask for 700 which is insane. not to mention half of toronto on there is trans. this is like seeking trans.
is sugar daddy meets better, I don’t want to pay again but seeking seems so bad rn.
is sugar daddy meets better, I don’t want to pay again but seeking seems so bad rn.
Yeah, its a struggle, but you can find $500 on there.
Technically PPM is against the TOS for Seeking, so when you discuss it, you need to be really careful on the chats.
Many of the experienced SB's try to move you to another social channel soon after to avoid this conflict
It's good to lightly qualify them before you share contact info, so that you don't waste time
Most girls will ask a lot on there, but if you push back and have availability to meet very soon (within 1-3 days), you can negotiate with them. Rates are a bit of game...
do you usually ask what they are looking for. most come in with high numbers. then if i say 400 or 500 they say let’s meet in the middle at like 6-700 which is kinda crazy.
this shit is the biggest waste of time. i’ll be honest all these girls are just down to fuck for 700-1k. which is way too much
i’m under 40 and all of them are like they don’t even need a meeting for drinks or vibes, just willing to come over to ur place but for the min of 700 generally with the hot young ones wanting 1k. this is so stupid. and they all have attitude if you don’t want to pay their price. this is the biggest waste of money. just stick to hot younger sps. this is a fucking waste of time and i blame these dudes who are desperate and horny paying 1k to have a young girl once
i’m under 40 and all of them are like they don’t even need a meeting for drinks or vibes, just willing to come over to ur place but for the min of 700 generally with the hot young ones wanting 1k. this is so stupid. and they all have attitude if you don’t want to pay their price. this is the biggest waste of money. just stick to hot younger sps. this is a fucking waste of time and i blame these dudes who are desperate and horny paying 1k to have a young girl once
Yeah, I just say here is where I'm at, take it or leave it.
If you do this all over text, I think that's a mistake.
I think its good to push for a call/video chat fairly quickly, so that they see what you're normal and you can qualify them a bit.
Just ask if you can have a quick 2-3 mins chat first to see if they're normal, I'm sure they are thinking the same (normal girls will agree to this, most pros won't care if you can meet their rate request)
Many of these girls push right away to rate discussion with no warm up/chemistry chats, because they're trying to save time, but they're actually doing themselves a disservice. They're having a lot of these kicking tire chats that go nowhere and are just frustrated on the app, plus general lack of experience.
If you can show you're a cool dude and can meet up fairly soon, you have more leverage.
Ex. Can say that $500 is where you're at right now, but I can meet tonight/tomorrow, she may just say fuck it, lets go for it...
I think a many of these girls might be getting $1k rate on the one off/lucky chance, but not that often, they just get spoiled and think they can get it again...
There might be guys on there overpaying...but in this economy, I think that's harder to find...
Obviously, there is much discussion here around rate/ppm. But what about the other key component…how much time does that ppm secure per date? How important is this issue to you? What discussion do you have around this and, most importantly, when do you have it?
If they're asking for more than $500 it should be 3 hours, at a minimum, as part of the ppm discussion.
