subsidized housing

[simon482]

Actually i'm not surprised at all. I agree that this seems standard for subsidized housing.

lazy people that think their shit don't stink and the world owes them everything.

 

[Petzel]

lazy people that think their shit don't stink and the world owes them everything.

I agree with them thinking the world owes them things. They usually have huge chips on their shoulders.

 

[Nate1]

the way i see it that won't happen. the cost might go up but that won't change where things get manufactured. jobs are being shipped to other countries cuz people in north america (more america than us) have an entitled opinion of themselves and don't think they should have to do a menial labour job. everyone thinks they should get right out of school and start at the top of their profession. hell my grandpa and the generations before him got into a job at 13-14 years old or earlier and stayed there until they died and moved up the ladder that way, not anymore. buncha spoiled brats out there. i wasn't trying to antagonize either, i guess i may have been tired and misunderstood what you were saying.

I agree with just about everything you say.

Recent grads want to be on top rates right out of school and there are real problems with the motivation with many people on social assistance.

Yes, my willingness to pay more would most likely be sucked up by capital without the desired effect of better middle class jobs. I know the middle class is off topic for this thread--but the hard working middle class and the desire to see that group grow is my highest concern.

The state of maintenance by many residents of social housing is hard to understand.

 

[simon482]

I agree with just about everything you say.

Recent grads want to be on top rates right out of school and there are real problems with the motivation with many people on social assistance.

Yes, my willingness to pay more would most likely be sucked up by capital without the desired effect of better middle class jobs. I know the middle class is off topic for this thread--but the hard working middle class and the desire to see that group grow is my highest concern.

The state of maintenance by many residents of social housing is hard to understand.

i feel bad for the middle class because it is vanishing and the middle class is now being put down with the poor people. the middle class actually want to work for what they have and are proud of what they have however little it might be. the poor (subsidized housing poor) want everything given to them. so the middle class are getting a bad rep now.

i have a bad habit of getting on little tirades about the fucks that come out of school and want entry level ownership/president positions in forbes 500 companies. start your lazy ass in the mail room and work your way up. lazy fucks. BAH!!!

 

[simon482]

I agree with them thinking the world owes them things. They usually have huge chips on their shoulders.

with huge bellies full of chips to match.

 

[FAST]

Champagne socialists

Some one on here clearly stated before that it was a mixed income Residence.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Layton


but i dont expect much from someone who throws the word socalist around like it's a synonym for murderer.

Actually what transpired was,...the TWO politicians moved into the apartment that was registered under Chow's mothers name.

Then they got caught,...and "volunteered" to increase the rate.

FAST

 

[Toke]

should there be a limit how long one can get subsidized housing?

To answer the OP's question...

I believe that welfare has a place in modern society. I also believe (as a socialist; check the sig) that it should be limited to a year (or two at most) for able bodied people. After that, I don't know what the solution after. However, I don't endorse a system in which an able bodied person is permitted to make the welfare system their permanent income.

 

[Toke]

i would rather give them a rent free space for a year so they can save money to buy or move to a place they can afford, but limit the time to one year- allow others who need a leg up a chance

I agree with that too. Some employers pay so low it is 'more profitable' to go on welfare.

Long story short, the whole economic system is unbalanced in soo many ways.

 

[Toke]

the waiting list for subsidized housing is a few years long and you have to wait for someone to move out or die before you can get in. so even if you put your name on the list and qualified by the time you actually got it you wouldn't need it anymore or they wouldn't know where to find you. my ex's mother was on welfare for 22 years and with 5 kids was making over 3,000$ a month and had a subsidized townhouse and was paying 250$ a month for it and 1/2 of all utilities. the whole cul-de-sac she lived on was subsidized and on welfare and everyone sat in the kitchen window and watched everyone else. cops were on the street at least 2 times a day cuz the neighbors called on each other all the time. it truly is a trailer park white trash mentality.

OMG. I agree with simon482 again. The situation he speaks of is part of the broken system. 22 years, 5 kids, next-to-no-rent, utilities paid; what incentive does someone in that situation have to work?

 

[simon482]

should there be a limit how long one can get subsidized housing?

the gov't does have an "emergency housing" system for people/families that are homeless but have a source of income. you can only stay for 2 months and the way it was explained to me for it being 2 months is that if you put away what rent would be you would have first and last for whatever place you could get into at the end of that 2 months.

 

[simon482]

OMG. I agree with simon482 again. The situation he speaks of is part of the broken system. 22 years, 5 kids, next-to-no-rent, utilities paid; what incentive does someone in that situation have to work?

the worst part was at the end she got evicted for not paying her bills. not because the kids had grown up and moved out. actually when her daughter was living with me we got called over to the house and she asked her daughter not to changer her address so she could still collect welfare for her living there.

 

[Toke]

so should everyone get a white collar job ? then who would do the blue collar work ?

We agree again. Another broken part of the system. We glorify, push, and train people to get 'white collar jobs' when those jobs are not as available as we are told and are increasingly lower paid. Then those same people won't get 'blue collar' jobs because they are over-qualified and see the jobs as 'beneath them'.

 

[simon482]

We agree again. Another broken part of the system. We glorify, push, and train people to get 'white collar jobs' when those jobs are not as available as we are told and are increasingly lower paid. Then those same people won't get 'blue collar' jobs because they are over-qualified and see the jobs as 'beneath them'.

the "occupy" movement.

 

[Toke]

the worst part was at the end she got evicted for not paying her bills. not because the kids had grown up and moved out. actually when her daughter was living with me we got called over to the house and she asked her daughter not to changer her address so she could still collect welfare for her living there.

LOL. She was never paying them.

 

[simon482]

LOL. She was never paying them.

went to take our kid over to visit gramma and the lights were off, she said that the hydro was off cuz she forgot to pay one month. hydro don't get turned off for forgetting 1 month, especially when 1 of her bills was 15$. then her phone was off for the same thing and instead of cancelling the cable she just let that bill pile up as well, no hydro to turn the t.v on so no reason to pay that bill either lol. her rent was 250$ and she got evicted for not paying, with her welfare and other money she gets for having kids she was making 3,000$ a month and getting all her food from the food bank and christmas presents at the salvation army. she was debt free and basically expense free making 3 grand a month and still managed to fuck it all up.

 

[Moraff]

Friend of mine bitches on her fb page about how she can't find any jobs in the retail market. Then in the next post she'll discourse on her latest cross-border shopping expedition (she's in a border town). Umm honey? People like you are the reason there's no jobs in your town for you...

 

[Petzel]

I agree with that too. Some employers pay so low it is 'more profitable' to go on welfare.

Long story short, the whole economic system is unbalanced in soo many ways.

Unfortunately many have no concept of money management and they blow it on 53 inch plasma TVs etc.

 

[Petzel]

Friend of mine bitches on her fb page about how she can't find any jobs in the retail market. Then in the next post she'll discourse on her latest cross-border shopping expedition (she's in a border town). Umm honey? People like you are the reason there's no jobs in your town for you...

That's not why. She's unemployed so she's shopping across the border cuz things are so much cheaper there! It's not rocket science. With the dollar almost at par you end up paying half of what we pay here for the same things! And it's not because of people like her that there are no jobs.

 

[Petzel]

Here's the way I see the problem. I don't know whether it's right or wrong but makes sense to me. Miniumum wage is only $10.25 per hour I believe. Well the fact is that no one can live on that in Canada! So minimum wage needs to be increased. But then the problem arises when employers bitch that to pay higher wages, they have to increase prices on their goods. Then once again the cycle repeats with prices going up, and people not being able to afford to live.
I think companies need to take a cut in their profits and executive salaries and bonuses to put back into the business so they can afford higher salaries.

 

[simon482]

Here's the way I see the problem. I don't know whether it's right or wrong but makes sense to me. Miniumum wage is only $10.25 per hour I believe. Well the fact is that no one can live on that in Canada! So minimum wage needs to be increased. But then the problem arises when employers bitch that to pay higher wages, they have to increase prices on their goods. Then once again the cycle repeats with prices going up, and people not being able to afford to live.
I think companies need to take a cut in their profits and executive salaries and bonuses to put back into the business so they can afford higher salaries.

the 10.20$ an hour wouldn't be so bad if both people in the house were working. i am using a married couple as an example. it would be tight but 20.50 (combined) an hour is decent for a wage and they could have a regular lower middle class life. not the new car but not to old, decent apartment maybe even buy a small starter home. now say she gets pregnant, works till 7 months, then 9 months off for maternity leave and only gets 60% of her wage, so now they are down to 16$ (roughly) per hour while she is on maternity leave, but now they have the extra cost of a baby added into the mix. now the maternity leave is up and she has to go back to work to try and make up for lost income but guess what, daycare is about 700$ a month per child for a full day. so now any money she would have made goes into day care so she may as well just stay home and take care of the kid. now they are just down to his income which isn't enough to pay any bills and now they are fucked and needing a handout.