stop trying to get around the new law

staggerspool

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You are acting like you are all legal experts and like you can beat the system somehow. We aare just bunch of horny guys and prostitutes trying to make a living. The society is against us at large . The government is going to crack down hard. The only way to avoid trouble is not getting caught, not argue on technicalities about law.
You are acting like you are the only person who has any valid opinion on this stuff. We are all equal here, and respected on the basis of our written statements. Society is actually largely behind us, according to polls and studies. The government will try to crack down hard, but will probably fail. If we (lawyers, academics, citizens) don't argue about technicalities, there is no way to fight this at all.
 

anotherwebguy

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I love this .... this is priceless. Isn't it the other way around? I thought I was taught that if you don't agree with the law you don't BREAK it ... you FIGHT to change it ....
Thomas Jefferson would disagree: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

As would Martin Luther King, from the Birmingham Jail:

""There are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that an unjust law is no law at all... One who breaks an unjust law must do it openly, lovingly...I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law."
 

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There are really customers paying for companionship and have no sex with escorts. Are they going to prosecute innocent people ?
Yeah, this is a real issue. Seeing an escort isn't all about multiple positions, 7 SOGs, etc. The services rendered are different for each person. The law can't account for that...
 

staggerspool

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Thomas Jefferson would disagree: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

As would Martin Luther King, from the Birmingham Jail:

""There are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that an unjust law is no law at all... One who breaks an unjust law must do it openly, lovingly...I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law."
Why not do both?
 

lovelatinas

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and the first judge who looks at the laws will throw the case out. and I walk. This legislation is so vague and broad it will be a nightmare for LE to try and enforce. This bill is a joke. what's a sexual service? Be Specific. Define it. how am I suppose to follow the law when I don't even know what the fuck they are outlawing? It has to be clear otherwise it's not a valid law that can be enforced. and you know what? the highest judge in Canada agrees with me.

Exactly. What if I hire a girl to masturbate in front of me for my pleasure (no intercourse) and I jerk off to that is that a sexual service? I'm I a criminal for that?
 

lovelatinas

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Based on technicalities. Cops and prosecutors are too smart to let you argue with lame excuses like you are paying for time only, buying condom for $250 all the horse shit will not hold up in the court because all the cirumstances surround the event proves you are paying for sex, and you may try to get around the letters of law, courts are designed to enforce the spirit of law.

So we are screwed if new law passes. Stop trying. We are all criminals.
So says the law expert.
 

George The Curious

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Stephen Harper is paying Peter MacKay to fuck Canada up the ass, that's got to be illegal!
I agree it's more about politics than legal or academic thing. Germany legalized prostitution because of very liberal political environment. people are against right wing or conservatives of any shape and form (from the bad memories of Nazi), and prostitution legalization was just a by-product. In Canada, conservatives won because voters only cared about economic performance, and now this new prostittuion law is the by-product.
 

kbiii2

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Even though the government seems to want to wipe out the sex industry like no other country ever has, I think they will have to define sexual service
in the final bill. As it presently stands legitimate medical and therapeutic massage could be called into question.

If they monitor this stuff, they should really consider leaving the present licensed massage industry pretty much alone and just go after hardcore incall
and outcall. Otherwise they will find themselves with an unmanageable legal nightmare when it comes to massage. The present massage industry is licensed
and seems pretty clean and the legal limits are basically adhered to by the MPA's. What's a little kissing and a HJ among friends.

Ottawa needs to come back down to earth and realize this isn't life or death, just a little fun in an otherwise tough world. Relax, smile a little up there.
 

legmann

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T.O.
Based on technicalities. Cops and prosecutors are too smart to let you argue with lame excuses like you are paying for time only, buying condom for $250 all the horse shit will not hold up in the court because all the cirumstances surround the event proves you are paying for sex, and you may try to get around the letters of law, courts are designed to enforce the spirit of law.

So we are screwed if new law passes. Stop trying. We are all criminals.
Umm, no. Laws are open to interpretation. That is precisely why we have lawyers and a legal profession, otherwise there would be nothing to debate.
 
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