SP Envelope Content Counting

[west_coast]

I'm haven't posted much on this board but I'm not new to the hobby.

Have you run across any incidents where an SP called you after a visit to say that the contents of the envelope were short? It's a sticky situation when the contents aren't counted in front of you.

I had a recent visit with a well reviewed Agency SP that we have in common and wondered if you had the same experience. I received a call from the SP after our visit saying the contents of the envelope for a multi-hour was short by two Browns. I triple and quadruple count to make sure I place the correct amount in the envelope. I suspect it isn't the first time the SP has done this.

West-Coast"

 

[radius]

I'm haven't posted much on this board but I'm not new to the hobby.

Have you run across any incidents where an SP called you after a visit to say that the contents of the envelope were short? It's a sticky situation when the contents aren't counted in front of you.

I had a recent visit with a well reviewed Agency SP that we have in common and wondered if you had the same experience. I received a call from the SP after our visit saying the contents of the envelope for a multi-hour was short by two Browns. I triple and quadruple count to make sure I place the correct amount in the envelope. I suspect it isn't the first time the SP has done this.

West-Coast"

Never happens to me because I always ask them to count it in front of me. That way we both agree on what the amount was before I leave. Some decline to count, but I have never been called about a shortage.

 

[Celticman]

I'm haven't posted much on this board but I'm not new to the hobby.

Have you run across any incidents where an SP called you after a visit to say that the contents of the envelope were short? It's a sticky situation when the contents aren't counted in front of you.

I had a recent visit with a well reviewed Agency SP that we have in common and wondered if you had the same experience. I received a call from the SP after our visit saying the contents of the envelope for a multi-hour was short by two Browns. I triple and quadruple count to make sure I place the correct amount in the envelope. I suspect it isn't the first time the SP has done this.

West-Coast"

Given the care that you took to count, I would not consider paying her. She is either scamming you or mixed the money up with other monies or is just simply wrong. Perhaps you should convey this to the agency. There is probably not enough certainty here to take the step of naming the agency and lady though. It is not like a demonstrable bait and switch.

 

[bubble pop]

I throw a wad of cash at her and let her count it. Never had any problems.

 

[explorerzip]

That's why I always go to a teller when I get the donation. I figure that they work with bills all the time and are less likely to miscount them.

I do think it is crass to call someone after the session is done questioning you about the donation, but there are people out there that try to get away with not bringing enough money.

If it's an honest mistake on your part just admit it and try to make amends with the provider or agency.

 

[DanJ]

I'm not sure the hesitancy in appts to deal with the cash. "Place the gift discreetly on the table and let's pretend it doesn't exist so we don't have to kid ourselves about what the next hour is really all about". I have no problem with her counting it right there, although I've never had a lady actually do it. I rarely use envelopes and I try to get larger denominations so it's easier for her to notice how much is there when I place it on the dresser or whatever surface is handy.

 

[Celticman]

That's why I always go to a teller when I get the donation. I figure that they work with bills all the time and are less likely to miscount them.

I do think it is crass to call someone after the session is done questioning you about the donation, but there are people out there that try to get away with not bringing enough money.

If it's an honest mistake on your part just admit it and try to make amends with the provider or agency.

I think the OP is clear in his own mind that he was sure about how he counted the money.

 

[thumper18474]

personally i dont like it when they count it in front of me...but I get why some would do it...
The ladies I see now know I'm not going to stiff them, if anything... I get.." you overpaid" but I just tell them thats what I feel our sessions warrant
Although I have never shorted anyone I wouldnt hesitate to turn around and go back and settle up...OR..include it with my next donation when we see eachother again

 

[legmann]

I've seen very few SPs who even bother to count at all while I'm there... I guess it just depends who you see. Agency girls seem much more lax over concerns about getting ripped off than some independents, particularly the fly-by-night types who advertise on BP.

 

[Capital Amatuer]

The protocol is to place the envelope in view at the start of the session. ( I never hand it over directly). During the session there is usually an opportunity for the lady to review its contents discretely (such as taking a shower, etc.) Only once have I ever not left the correct donation. The envelope slid off the seat in the car after collecting the exact amount at the ATM drive thru. I did mention to the lady I spilled the envelope and she should count it. I was running late and I thought I got them all ! I was two greens short, went back to the car, looked under the seat and there they were ! Another lady, an ATF, visits for multiple hours. She knows I always leave the donation of a stack of fresh towels. I never know when she takes it, but its gone shortly before she leaves. Avoids awkwardness I guess, but that's our routine l

 

[legmann]

The protocol is to place the envelope

That is 'protocol' as much as is the disclaimer that we are paying for 'time and companionship' only. I'm sure there are many independents who do prefer and enforce this method of payment, but I can count on one hand how many times I've actually left payment in an envelope, in over fifteen years of hobbying and in three different cities.

Agency girls, at least, seem to have no trouble with donation being placed on some surface, sans envelope, so long as it is in plain sight and looks to be legit.

 

[explorerzip]

I think the OP is clear in his own mind that he was sure about how he counted the money.

The thing is mistakes always happen. At least if I go to a teller and get them to put it in the bank's envelope I know with reasonable certainty that the correct amount is in there and it doesn't get mixed up with the cash I already have in my wallet.

 

[justfor]

I almost always ask them to count soon after I hand them the envelop. If it is someone I know well, she usually says it's ok, and declines. I don't see any problem counting the money in front of me because afterall, it is a business transaction. I'd rather that we get this over with, relax and enjoy our time without thinking about it. One time though, with a favorite of mine, we forgot to count the money while I was there. After I left, I began to have a sneaky feeling that I was short. I phoned her right away, and she confirmed that I was short for one hour. I drove back to bring her the money as soon as I could. I promised her that it wasn't intentional (so I could go back to see her!) and we had a good laugh about it.

 

[Celticman]

I am getting guilt pangs. I still owe Malika ten bucks through a mistake that we both know about Repeat soon.

 

[harryass]

I do the same as the OP. I say don't pay her any more. I triple count it or more also and know its all there. For the first meeting, I think its good thing for all sps to count it or for clients to ask she count it before the party begins. For sps and clients that seen each other before, it may be good to discretly check if your worry in offending the client. Either way, I have no problem with sps checking it out in front of me.

 

[doggee_01]

i never use envelopes just put the cash slightly fanned out on the dresser/night stand whatever she can see how much it is and just put it away... no need for anyone to be embarresed we all know what it is for!

 

[TeasePlease]

These stories pop up with regularity.

If youre sure you paid, you have two choice:

1. Politely tell her that you left the agreed upon funds in the room and that you have no idea what happened.

2. Same as 1, but send or give her the difference.

Either way, you don't see her ever again.

 

[freedom3]

This is why I am never offended when a woman counts the money in front of me.

As for the OP, if I was certain that I didn't miscount (I always count twice myself), then I wouldn't pay again. She should have counted it at the time.

 

[wangbang]

I know I count the money in the car and the elevator so probably 4 or 5 times minimum. If an SP ever hit me up like this I would tell her to pound salt.

Luckily it has never happened.

 

[D-Fens]

In my experience sps never actually count in front of you. it's awkward and considered rude. They will count it while you are in the shower.


I always make sure I brought the right amount. No more no less. I only see reputable well reviewed providers so it's unlikely i would get ripped off.