South African president wants to seize land from white farmers without compensation

[Aardvark154]

You fail to understand logic. There is no equivalence between being anti-Apartheid and wanting the white farmers to hang on to their land. The blacks and coloured were severely repressed during Apartheid. There is no history of the white farmers being repressed by the black population.

How you succeeded in the capitalist world puzzles me

You see it as "wanting the white farmers to hang on to their land" not as land being seized contrary to the rule of law, such that even as is the case in Russia foreign investors won't want to touch the place with a barge pole - since today you, tomorrow me.

If you honestly believe what you wrote, then you are admitting that "truth and reconciliation" was a farce from the word go.

 

[danmand]

How you succeeded in the capitalist world puzzles me

You see it as "wanting the white farmers to hang on to their land" not as land being seized contrary to the rule of law, such that even as is the case in Russia foreign investors won't want to touch the place with a barge pole - since today you, tomorrow me.

If you honestly believe what you wrote, then you are admitting that "truth and reconciliation" was a joke from the word go.

I have no idea if the "truth and reconciliation" was a joke or not. I do know that forced land reform was inevitable, and that everybody expected it to happen. You have not answered me, why you think so many South Africans left the country?

You may consider that "rule of Law" means something different to South Africans than to you. Under Apartheid it was illegal for a black or coloured to eat at a white restaurant, or for a white to have romantic relations with a black or coloured. I vividly remember taking a coloured women to a restaurant in a fine hotel in Joburg, and how much it meant to her to go there.

It is a bit hypocritical for the Boers to claim "rule of Law".

 

[Aardvark154]

Plenty of other posters have pointed out to you (and I apologize to them for not citing them) that seizing property without fair market value compensation will lead to the collapse of foreign investment in South Africa. Now South Africa will likely be able to scrape along even as has Zimbabwe, but grow and become a Singapore or India no.

Part of that as doubtless family members can explain to you is the rule of law. If your property can be seized tomorrow without fair market value compensation, what is to say that my property/investment can't be seized the day after tomorrow without fair market value compensation. Therefore why on earth should I invest money in your country where I may loose my shirt without proper legal recourse to fair compensation.

 

[Aardvark154]

I do know that forced land reform was inevitable

Forced land reform may be expropriation/compulsory purchase at fair market value, it is not seizing property without compensation.

 

[danmand]

Plenty of other posters have pointed out to you (and I apologize to them for not citing them) that seizing property without fair market value compensation will lead to the collapse of foreign investment in South Africa. Now South Africa will likely be able to scrape along even as has Zimbabwe, but grow and become a Singapore or India no.

I would advise you not to invest money in South Africa. I apologize for not realizing that you were considering investing in South Africa.

You seem to have a fundamental problem understanding the difference between a)"it is inevitable, and everybody with half a brain could see it coming" and b) it will be good for the country.

Part of that as doubtless family members can explain to you is the rule of law. If your property can be seized tomorrow without fair market value compensation, what is to say that my property/investment can't be seized the day after tomorrow without fair market value compensation. Therefore why on earth should I invest money in your country where I may loose my shirt without proper legal recourse to fair compensation.

You may consider that "rule of Law" means something different to South Africans than to you. Under Apartheid it was illegal for a black or coloured to eat at a white restaurant, or for a white to have romantic relations with a black or coloured. I vividly remember taking a coloured women to a restaurant in a fine hotel in Joburg, and how much it meant to her to go there. That was the rule of law under apartheid. Now the rule of law is (or will be) that land can be confiscated without compensation. Lawyers were happy either way. In my opinion, Boers have forfeited their right to complain about "rule of Law".

The Boers do not have the votes to control what happens in South Africa, and because of the race issue, they have no chance in Hell to fool the blacks to vote for them, like the 1% in USA has fooled the 35% to vote for them.

 

[Aardvark154]

^ It is tragic that people's lives are being destroyed not merely those whose property is being stolen but the whole damn country. Right down the tubes.

Even more tragic is that seemingly you feel that the rest of the world should sit back and not attempt to do a damn thing about it.

 

[Butler1000]

I would advise you not to invest money in South Africa. I apologize for not realizing that you were considering investing in South Africa.

You seem to have a fundamental problem understanding the difference between a)"it is inevitable, and everybody with half a brain could see it coming" and b) it will be good for the country.



You may consider that "rule of Law" means something different to South Africans than to you. Under Apartheid it was illegal for a black or coloured to eat at a white restaurant, or for a white to have romantic relations with a black or coloured. I vividly remember taking a coloured women to a restaurant in a fine hotel in Joburg, and how much it meant to her to go there. That was the rule of law under apartheid. Now the rule of law is (or will be) that land can be confiscated without compensation. Lawyers were happy either way. In my opinion, Boers have forfeited their right to complain about "rule of Law".

The Boers do not have the votes to control what happens in South Africa, and because of the race issue, they have no chance in Hell to fool the blacks to vote for them, like the 1% in USA has fooled the 35% to vote for them.

This is the definition of what a shithole nation does. And as such should be subject to sanctions for oppressing a minority.

As well when no one will invest in them and it goes down the tubes I see no reason to assist them. In any way.

And remember it was Canada and Mulroney who led the charge against Apartheid. But not this blatant misuse of power.

 

[danmand]

^ It is tragic that people's lives are being destroyed not merely those whose property is being stolen but the whole damn country. Right down the tubes.

Even more tragic is that seemingly you feel that the rest of the world should sit back and not attempt to do a damn thing about it.

Your wet dream is not going to happen. South Africa is much more resilient than Zimbabwe. It will be a negative, but the country will survive.

There are not enough white supremacists to make South Africa Great again. They are busy with USA anyway.

 

[jcpro]

Your wet dream is not going to happen. South Africa is much more resilient than Zimbabwe. It will be a negative, but the country will survive.

There are not enough white supremacists to make South Africa Great again. They are busy with USA anyway.

LOL!!! Don't worry, the outcome is 100% guaranteed.

 

[Butler1000]

Your wet dream is not going to happen. South Africa is much more resilient than Zimbabwe. It will be a negative, but the country will survive.

There are not enough white supremacists to make South Africa Great again. They are busy with USA anyway.

The ANC has communist roots. And is rife with cronyism. They are going to fuck it up.

 

[FAST]

The ANC has communist roots. And is rife with cronyism. They are going to fuck it up.

With the ease of uninvited Islamic extremists stepping in now,... guaranteed,... one shit hole coming up.

 

[danmand]

LOL!!! Don't worry, the outcome is 100% guaranteed.

You may be right, if Aardvark removes his investments South Africa.

 

[Smallcock]

It's utterly surreal that anyone would actually defend the illegal seizure of land based on race. Danmand's trolling is beyond contempt.

 

[JohnLarue]

Aardie and laRue are just venting their frustrations that Apartheid fell. They are not doing anything about it.

what kind of glue are you sniffing?
I made no comment one way or another about Apartheid
i just pointed out to you that any expropriation will end in disaster & showed you the realities of trying to finance expropriation
Nothing more, yet you try to paint me as a racist ????

You are a first class jerk, with a ongoing reading comprehension problem

 

[JohnLarue]

Your wet dream is not going to happen. South Africa is much more resilient than Zimbabwe. It will be a negative, but the country will survive.

It will not survive if they expropriate the land.
An economic & humanitarian crisis will almost surely follow.
I would not bet against a civil war either

& DO NOT somehow twist that and say or imply that is what I want as there is enough human suffering in the world already

 

[Frankfooter]

It's utterly surreal that anyone would actually defend the illegal seizure of land based on race.

Yes, isn't it surreal that people are still defending Afrikaner colonization and illegal seizure of land based on race.

 

[danmand]

It will not survive if they expropriate the land.
An economic & humanitarian crisis will almost surely follow.
I would not bet against a civil war either

As you are not Nostradamus, What you mean is:

"I predict that It (SA) will not survive if they expropriate the land.
and that An economic & humanitarian crisis will almost surely follow.
I would not bet against a civil war either"

I do not believe in your prediction. South Africa has transferred partial ownership of mining companies to blacks, essentially without compensation, as the mining companies were forced to loan the money to the purchasers.
The reactions have not so far been significant for the South African economy, and if the land reform is done gradually, I believe the results will be negative but not catastrophic for the economy. Don't compare South Africa to Zimbabwe in terms of industrial development and resilience. Remember that South Africa survived a long time under severe sanctions during Apartheid, when nobody wanted to invest in South Africa.

Who the heck do you think would take up arms against ANC? There are about 30,000 white owned commercial farms in South Africa.
You may not be aware that the "british ancestry" South Africans, in places like Cape Town have no love for the Boers.

By the way, I do not believe that the ANC leadership is in favor of confiscation without compensation. However, in a democracy they are not able to resist the will of the population any longer.

 

[Aardvark154]

By the way, I do not believe that the ANC leadership is in favor of confiscation without compensation. However, in a democracy they are not able to resist the will of the population any longer.

In a semi-Westminster Style political system the ANC Leadership does not have control over their MPs?---- Really?

 

[glamphotographer]

Pay back is a bitch.

 

[danmand]

In a semi-Westminster Style political system the ANC Leadership does not have control over their MPs?---- Really?

Again, why are you posting about South Africa if you know nothing about the country?