Some American's Lose.....

[lookingforitallthetime]

But he will:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day He rose again.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of Saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. AMEN.

That brings back memories. I still dont get your point though.

 

[RTRD]

I am ....

If you don't consider the United Church mainstream, what is?

...not going to get sucked into a debate about whose denomination is ok and whose is not.

The "United Church" is a DENOMINATION. The RELIGION is Christianity...and it rejects homosexuality totally.

 

[red]

...and thanks to it still being a democracy...the majority rules.

democracies have made many mistakes in the past including slavery, not allowing women to vote, the draft. this another one. its wrong.

 

[RTRD]

And you...

democracies have made many mistakes in the past including slavery, not allowing women to vote, the draft. this another one. its wrong.

..are entitled to an opinion.

 

[red]

...not going to get sucked into a debate about whose denomination is ok and whose is not.

The "United Church" is a DENOMINATION. The RELIGION is Christianity...and it rejects homosexuality totally.

No, not totally. there are two christian denominations that don't. the anglican church is being split over the matter. there are many christians who don't agree with your point of view either.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

...not going to get sucked into a debate about whose denomination is ok and whose is not.

The "United Church" is a DENOMINATION. The RELIGION is Christianity...and it rejects homosexuality totally.

As I said earlier, according to you Christianity rejects homosexuality yet Jesus Christ rejected no one.

When did Jesus reject homosexuality? Isn't Christianity based on Christ's teachings?

 

[red]

..are entitled to an opinion.

thats right. whenever someone takes the view that gay marriage should not be allowed I have to ask them why. it doesn't improve or decrease your odds of getting married. it will impact your life not one iota (assuming you aren't gay). so why oppose this basic right.

 

[RTRD]

Again...

No, not totally. there are two christian denominations that don't. the anglican church is being split over the matter. there are many christians who don't agree with your point of view either.

...the CHRISTIAN RELIGON...not any splitter denomination...rejects homosexuality out of hand.

And there are many people who don't agree with many things. If you are going to have 3 billion members of a club...there is going to be some disagreement.

 

[danmand]

That brings back memories. I still dont get your point though.

But he will:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day He rose again.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of Saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. AMEN.

As I said earlier, according to you Christianity rejects homosexuality yet Jesus Christ rejected no one.

When did Jesus reject homosexuality? Isn't Christianity based on Christ's teachings?

Are you claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person?

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

thats right. whenever someone takes the view that gay marriage should not be allowed I have to ask them why. it doesn't improve or decrease your odds of getting married. it will impact your life not one iota (assuming you aren't gay). so why oppose this basic right.

That is my way of thinking as well.

Christ taught us to not judge each other. Only God can make judgement on his children.

Let gay people get married if they want. If God deems this to be wrong, they will be judged in time.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Are you claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person?

Are you claiming he wasn't?

 

[danmand]

Are you claiming he wasn't?

C'mon, this is not a bait. I am just curious if you believe that jesus of Nazareth was
a historical person.

As far as I know, there is no historical eveidence for it.

 

[RTRD]

You...

As I said earlier, according to you Christianity rejects homosexuality yet Jesus Christ rejected no one.

When did Jesus reject homosexuality? Isn't Christianity based on Christ's teachings?

...would have to ask him why.

And yes it is...and if you were raised Catholic and took it seriously (I take it you did not and have since rejected it), you know WHERE in fact in the Bible Christ rejects homosexuality.

BTW....Christ rejected no one...who was prepared to come to Christ. He welcomed everyone...who was prepared to reform their ways and live for Him. Non believers like very much to twist that into "everything is ok because Christ was ok with everybody". Not true....he hated sin and sinners....but loved those who were prepared to make a change from a sinful life to a Christ like one.

Your very general premise is remotely correct, and is in fact where many religions fall short...they judge and reject people based on their past. Christ did not. But be ye no fool...all are judged on what is in their heart...or in other words...the "current".

 

[RTRD]

I...

thats right. whenever someone takes the view that gay marriage should not be allowed I have to ask them why. it doesn't improve or decrease your odds of getting married. it will impact your life not one iota (assuming you aren't gay). so why oppose this basic right.

...disagree....and the reasons why are not something you would subscribe to, so there is no point in trying to explain it.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

C'mon, this is not a bait. I am just curious if you believe that jesus of Nazareth was
a historical person.

As far as I know, there is no historical eveidence for it.

Yes, I believe he was.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

...would have to ask him why.

And yes it is...and if you were raised Catholic and took it seriously (I take it you did not and have since rejected it), you know WHERE in fact int he Bible Christ rejects homosexuality.

BTW....Christ rejected no one...who was prepared to come to Christ. He welcomed everyone...who was prepared to reform their ways and live for Him. Non believers like very much to twist that into "everything is ok because Chirst was ok with everybody". Not true....he hated sin and sinners....but loved those who were prepared to make a change from a sinful life to a Christ like one.

You very general premise is remotely correct, and is in fact where many religions fall short...they judge and reject people based on their past. Christ did not. But be ye now fool...all are judged on what is in their heart...or in other words...the "current".

I did take my religion very seriously (even thought about going into the seminary) at one time but I got turned off by the hypocrisy of the Church and most of it's followers.

Not to get into a scripture quote off but didn't Jesus say "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"? Since, as a member of TERB, you are abviously a sinner, what right do you have to judge or deny other "sinners"?

The hypocrisy you're demonstrating in this thread is exactly the type of argument that forced me away from the church and religion in general.

 

[RTRD]

It also says...

I did take my religion very seriously (even thought about going into the seminary) at one time but I got turned off by the hypocrisy of the Church and most of it's followers.

Not to get into a scripture quote off but didn't Jesus say "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"? Since, as a member of TERB, you are abviously a sinner, what right do you have to judge or deny other "sinners"?

The hypocrisy you're demonstrating in this thread is exactly the type of argument that forced me away from the church and religion in general.

...it is the message...not the messenger. What I might or might not be has NOTING to do with the validity of the point I am making. That is another twist that non-believers like to use..."You are no better than me". Where did I say I was?...and what does that have to do with Christ's judgment?

It would seem both you and the church are better off with the decision you have made...

That said...I have neither judged nor denied anyone anything. What has happened is the American people voted, and faced the legal challenge of marriage being defined as being between one man and one woman with a legal defense of it. Someone asked how this could happen...and I explained.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

It would seem both you and the church are better off with the decision you have made...

On that we agree.

 

[danmand]

On that we agree.

You should look into the lutheran church. That is almost an oxymoron, actually,
as Luther stripped the church of all power. The community of believers are
the church. The pastor is a "first among equals". No reward for going to church,
the only things that matters are in your heart.

There is a danish (and sometimes the swedes loan it) church on younge and Finch,
close to some of the asian incalls, so if you are in the neighbourhood, maybe pop in there
some day. Danish au pair girls hang out there on sundays.

 

[onthebottom]

...disagree.

No one (well...no one in the mainstream...their are right wing nut jobs everywhere) argued against homosexuals having access to any and all the same rights and institutions as heterosexuals. The point of civil unions was to grant ALL of the same legal standing to gay couples that married couples enjoy.

The reason for it being separate however was that the majority of Americans do not wish to change the definition of marriage...while a minority did.

I'm not sure a majority of Southern Whites thought integrating schools was a good idea in the 50s.... what the majority wants and what protect a minority deserves is the issue here. This is a civil rights issue to me, nothing more.

OTB