Slut walk

[d_jedi]

Www.slutwalktoronto.com

Just like Stoner's Pot Palace (Simpsons, man!! Look it up!!).. this is flagrant false advertising!!

 

[d_jedi]

Feminist Indignation? Huh? why dont we teach men to not be neanderthals and not fondle and rape provocatively dressed women?? wouldnt that be the actual answer to the problem? Last time I checked, men had brains. why dont they just use them more?

We have two heads, but only enough blood to use one of them at any one time

 

[d_jedi]

This debate has been done to death. Women should realize that they are increasing their risk of being sexually assaulted by dressing provocatively and men should realize that sexual assualt is a crime no matter how the victim is dressed. Is there much more to say?

DING DING DING!!
If I flash a wad of cash in a poor neighborhood with a high crime rate, I'm more likely to get robbed than the next guy who has more sense than to do such a thing. I'm not "asking for it", I don't "deserve it", but common sense says there are things I could have done that could have prevented it.

 

[fuji]

DING DING DING!!
If I flash a wad of cash in a poor neighborhood with a high crime rate, I'm more likely to get robbed than the next guy who has more sense than to do such a thing. I'm not "asking for it", I don't "deserve it", but common sense says there are things I could have done that could have prevented it.

What's that got to do with the price of chicken in rome? Rape is not a crime of passion. It's a crime of violence. It's primarily motivated by a desire for power, not by an ordinary desire for sex.

 

[d_jedi]

Even with the right to wear anything you want, the underlying premise that dressing like a slut is going to incite a rapist in an alleyway to lose control over the outfit and rape, is not proven out by published research.

It is a premise that seems reasonable and based on common sense, but both lose meaning when dealing with any man who would rape a woman.

So say a rapist sees two women walking out of a club. One is dressed like a slut (or, provocatively, if you will..), the other conservatively. All other things being equal.. who do you think his victim will be?

 

[Narg]

It must be nice to have the privilege of not living with the constant threat of being sexually assaulted, and yet believe that you have a better grasp than women do of the threat we face on a daily basis.

So you disagree with me? You think there is zero additional risk of sexual assault no matter how someone is dressed?

Or is it just that only women's opinions should be respected?

 

[GPIDEAL]

What's that got to do with the price of chicken in rome? Rape is not a crime of passion. It's a crime of violence. It's primarily motivated by a desire for power, not by an ordinary desire for sex.

Ding, ding, ding, bingo!

Or the price of tea in China.

(Thank you)

 

[fuji]

So say a rapist sees two women walking out of a club. One is dressed like a slut (or, provocatively, if you will..), the other conservatively. All other things being equal.. who do you think his victim will be?

Neither. That is not a common rape scenario. I defy you to find even one rape that occurred that way.

The most likely victim is the one that knew the rapist. Overwhelmingly, that is the most likely scenario. Way, way, way down the list is the woman who walked home through the park instead of catching a cab. In neither case does it matter what she was wearing.

It's pretty much unheard of for rapists to go select strangers as victims based on who they think is most attractive. Has it ever happened in the entire history of the human race? Sure. All sorts of unlikely things have happened in the history of the human race--this is not a factor that anybody should pay attention to.

 

[GPIDEAL]

So say a rapist sees two women walking out of a club. One is dressed like a slut (or, provocatively, if you will..), the other conservatively. All other things being equal.. who do you think his victim will be?

Do you remember a few short years ago that real estate agent who was raped and murdered around the Bay/Bloor area? I think she was dressed in a business suit or business-casual, not like a streetwalker.

 

[fuji]

You think there is zero additional risk of sexual assault no matter how someone is dressed?

The word you are looking for is negligible. It's not a factor on the top 100 things you should worry about if you're a woman interested in lowering your chance of being raped.

 

[Narg]

Fuji, you know that sexual assault is defined as any form of sexual contact without both parties' consent. You know this definition includes touching (groping, fondling, kissing). Are you seriously planning on telling me that a girl dressed in a micro-mini does not have a greater chance of having her ass grabbed in a crowded, poorly lit bar than one wearing a nun's habit?

Also ... for the hypercritical .. there is a difference between pointing out that certain behaviour increases the risks of non-consensual touching and claiming that the behaviour itself justifies the touching in any way or that the behaviour is in any way improper or shameful ....

Stop using rape in your straw man argument and read what I actually wrote ...

 

[d_jedi]

Neither. That is not a common rape scenario. I defy you to find even one rape that occurred that way.

The most likely victim is the one that knew the rapist. Overwhelmingly, that is the most likely scenario. Way, way, way down the list is the woman who walked home through the park instead of catching a cab. In neither case does it matter what she was wearing.

It's pretty much unheard of for rapists to go select strangers as victims based on who they think is most attractive. Has it ever happened in the entire history of the human race? Sure. All sorts of unlikely things have happened in the history of the human race--this is not a factor that anybody should pay attention to.

Look, I'm not saying that how a woman dresses is a huge factor in whether she'll get raped or not (there probably *is* a stronger case for that for sexual assault, though - especially around drunken, horny guys..), but it *is* a factor. Maybe the risk is negligible, but it's not zero.

All the statistics in the world don't mean shit if you're the one being victimized (despite what the stats say)..

 

[fuji]

Fuji, you know that sexual assault is defined as any form of sexual contact without both parties' consent.

Sure. Our laws classify all sexual assaults similarly, rape is in essentially the same category as a woman getting her ass grabbed in a bar. While it's offensive, I also think the average woman is capable of dealing with the ass grabber on her own, and is probably not going to be scarred for life by the experience.

Rape and other forcible sexual assault are a completely different story, both in terms of the sorts of things that motivate an attack, and the level of destruction they bring to the lives of their victims.

Yes our laws lump them all together, but they're really quite different in so many ways.

 

[fuji]

Maybe the risk is negligible, but it's not zero.

I will agree that's true. Will you agree that there is no point in altering your behavior to eliminate negligible risks?

The risk that I will be struck by a meteor later on this evening if I step outside is also negligible but not zero--but I'm still going out tonight.

 

[d_jedi]

I will agree that's true. Will you agree that there is no point in altering your behavior to eliminate negligible risks?

The risk that I will be struck by a meteor later on this evening if I step outside is also negligible but not zero--but I'm still going out tonight.

Possibly, depends on the situation. I'd say the risk of a fire in your home is rather negligible, but do you not have insurance?

 

[fuji]

The risk of fire is not negligible, only unlikely, that's why I have insurance (and a smoke alarm).

 

[yahoo40]

guys i havent read the whole thread yet just 1st page

but here is my say

girls who really want to wear slutty and/or live slutty no one in this society can stop them no matter what happens in the society or how many men find it provocative but there will always be the men in their lives who will appreciate it

so stop this bullshit debate whether what a women should wear ! Western society in the world is always diverse and every kind has full right to live and wore whatever they choose without any fear . Slutty clothing is after all a dressing style !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


oh wait then same rules should apply to burka

 

[Narg]

oh wait then same rules should apply to burka

Slutty clothing - OK. Burka - NOT OK. Cultural imperialism - OK.

 

[thewalker]

I don't know about you guys, but I've always been impossibly envious that women have the option of dressing slutty and be celebrated for it.

With women, dressing slutty is empowering, men dressing slutty is gay and cause to be ridiculed.
Women don't get turned on by men in short shorts and a loose fitting tanktop.

Women have it tough in a lot of areas in life, but in the sexual sphere they can dominate.

 

[C Dick]

Not to tear anyone away from the political discussion, but my attractive friend is planning to walk in the slut walk, wearing nothing but shoes. If it is warm enough. She is not anti-police by any means, but she likes attention. I will attempt to take pictures and post them.