Slut walk

[d_jedi]

Not to tear anyone away from the political discussion, but my attractive friend is planning to walk in the slut walk, wearing nothing but shoes. If it is warm enough. She is not anti-police by any means, but she likes attention. I will attempt to take pictures and post them.

This just got a lot more interesting..

 

[andreandi]

I only read the first page, but what I can say is. Whenever Im walking out of my apartment (has a younger 20-35 crowd) I ALWAYS get stared... ALWAYS. I dont wear nice clothes, or anything slutty, just a basic sweather and pants .. Whole point is not to be looked at. I seriously can anxious of walking out at times! Whenever Im out, I learned not to notice other people when they look and ignore whether dressed nicely or regular.

A woman should be cautious of her surrarounds always! Some clothes make looks fly more than others. By a rapists will rape to feel in power in control. Most rapists pick their targets carefully, date them, get to know that.

 

[The Oracle]

Not to tear anyone away from the political discussion, but my attractive friend is planning to walk in the slut walk, wearing nothing but shoes. If it is warm enough. She is not anti-police by any means, but she likes attention. I will attempt to take pictures and post them.

C Dick thanks for that breath of fresh air.

 

[2canchew]

Absolutely it is. But it's not rape, and, again, there's no evidence anywhere that women who dress slutty are more likely to be raped. Rapists are generally motivated more by a desire to feel powerful, than attraction.

That is true but who is to say that certain men will skip the groing part and jump right to rape. How do you know that this groping is not a first step towards rape?

 

[fuji]

That is true but who is to say that certain men will skip the groing part and jump right to rape. How do you know that this groping is not a first step towards rape?

Rape the woman right on the dance floor of the club? I am guessing even the most aggressive rapist won't do that.

 

[2canchew]

Your logic completely fails. Totally and utterly and it is really quite sad.

If you dress in a KKK uniform or Nazi attire you could well be expected to be treated like a racist.

But you could not reasonably expect to be beaten to death by a black man or a jew.

Same thing about the uniform. You may put on the uniform but it does not give you the right to make an arrest etc.

People can treat you any way they like, within the law. Once they go outside the law they must be punished.

The acts are prohibited for good reasons. And the CCC doesn't make exceptions for dress etc.

Perhaps you think we should amend the code:

No sexual assualt unless one is dressed in a 'slutty' manner.

No fraud except against people who drive a nice car or have a nice house, they deserve it.

No assualt except against annoying people.

And it is not a "two way street." You have a right to dress as you choose. Our system also confirms your right to be free of unwanted sexual touching. It's actually really simple...

Clearly our school system is failing us.

Are you for real? So if I read you correctly, you could not reasonably expect to be beaten to death by a black man or a jew.
Then I dare you to walk down Harlem with a KKK outfit on. I have great black friends and I'm sure they would beat the hell out of you if you showed up in that outfit at there homes. You have just showed your complete ignorance when you made that statement I'll tell ya, WOW !!
THEN, THEN, you make the commen about the uniform. "You may put on the uniform but it does not give you the right to make an arrest etc". Could you please explain?
Yes you have the right to dress anyway you see fit, but like I tell my kids ( a pair of 16 years olds & a 28 year old ) and it's very simple
" you have the right to make decisions and you will also pay a CONSEQUENCE for those decisions.
As I right this, my 16 year old daughter was about to go out with her frienda and both her mother and I thought she was derssed to provocatively, now she moaned and groaned but she changed, and we told her that sexy is one thing, slutty is another and I know what i'm talking about because when I was 20, 30, I look for the most slutty girl there was because, chances are she is there for the same reason I was, TO GET LAID, however I wouldn't rape her if she said no.....but thats me, you can't rely on that decision with every guy you meet.

 

[2canchew]

And if my life experience is any indicator, the slutty ones are cold phonies, and the consevatively dressed, bookish, mousy ones are the most likely to turn out to be crazy sex maniacs

AMEN, like my wife, WOW!!! When i meet my wife, I thought , looks pretty conservative, she won't like me because of my shy nature lol. But then I got to know her and WOW, we have been together for 15 years.

It can of reminds me of the librarian who has her tied up in a bun, THEN, she lets her hair down and WOW, what a transformation.

 

[GPIDEAL]

You don't tell your daughter to dress down because you are preventing her from getting raped (it's not like she's going to some Hell's Angels wild party). You tell her that so that she won't be looked upon as promiscuous (i.e., perception as opposed to reality), but someone to be taken seriously. You also do that because she's your daughter and you don't want her reputation to be the object of rumours.

Having said that, many young ladies like to dress sexy by today's standards. Us older guys see college girls or even high school girls, and they all dress sexier then when we remember being in those days. It doesn't mean they are more promiscuous (although it seems that we live in more liberal times when it comes to attitudes about sex).

 

[2canchew]

Sure that's true, but that's different than rape. The unwanted(?) attention the woman is going to get means getting hit on, stared at, cat called, possibly even an unwanted physical contact, like a squeeze. Now while you could categorize the unwanted physical contact as sexual assault (it legally is), it's not on the same order as rape.

The myth is that rapists are just super horny guys who can't control themselves. They are far more motivated by insecurities and a desire to physically dominate a woman, violently if necessary, to achieve a feeling of power and superiority. Rape is also such an extreme crime that rapists don't often get the chance to be picky about what their victim is wearing, or often even who she is--it's hard enough for them to isolate a woman in a situation where she can be raped without the rapist being caught that there aren't too many opportunities to pick and choose what she's wearing--even if she's known to the attacker, which she usually is.

Certainly a woman who dresses slutty is going to get some extra attention--but the notion that it will amount to rape is just wrong.

Then why take a chance? Why dress with your tits hanging out or your dress barly covering your ass and your G string in full view, while showing the split in your ASS!

 

[djk]

I'm going to put together a GQ walk.

Surprisingly, if you walk around Regent Park or Jamestown area at night, decked out in Canali, Ermenegildo Zegna or similar labels, you end up getting jumped and robbed.

 

[2canchew]

DING DING DING!!
If I flash a wad of cash in a poor neighborhood with a high crime rate, I'm more likely to get robbed than the next guy who has more sense than to do such a thing. I'm not "asking for it", I don't "deserve it", but common sense says there are things I could have done that could have prevented it.

Your not reading what d_jedi is writing, if you walk into a sistuation that people thought you were stupid in doing so, then why can't that apply to the way women dress and the circumstances that they put themselves in.

I hate to write this but I will, It sounds like cockteasing is ok because the guy should have control of his sexual desires, and I don't think thats right!

Is it ok to turn a guy on to the point where he thinks he might get some and then laugh at him as you see his facial expression when you walk away laughing?

 

[d_jedi]

Why dress with your tits hanging out or your dress barly covering your ass and your G string in full view, while showing the split in your ASS!

Mmm.. eye candy
Wait.. what were we talking about?

 

[2canchew]

guys i havent read the whole thread yet just 1st page

but here is my say

girls who really want to wear slutty and/or live slutty no one in this society can stop them no matter what happens in the society or how many men find it provocative but there will always be the men in their lives who will appreciate it

so stop this bullshit debate whether what a women should wear ! Western society in the world is always diverse and every kind has full right to live and wore whatever they choose without any fear . Slutty clothing is after all a dressing style !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


oh wait then same rules should apply to burka

You can take your little bullshit statement and shove it up your ASS !!!!! Lets just hope that if you ever find yourself in a situation, and it makes the papers, that you can explain away the circumstances the way you just did in this thread.......... I suppose that you are a woman, if you are then I wish you all the best if what I wrote happens to you, I DON'T WANT NOR DO I HOPE FOR SUCH THING TO HAPPEN TO NAY WOMAN I'm just saying, god for bib if it did then you can explain it the same way you explain it in this thread.

 

[LateComer]

I only read the first page, but what I can say is. Whenever Im walking out of my apartment (has a younger 20-35 crowd) I ALWAYS get stared... ALWAYS. I dont wear nice clothes, or anything slutty, just a basic sweather and pants .. Whole point is not to be looked at. I seriously can anxious of walking out at times! Whenever Im out, I learned not to notice other people when they look and ignore whether dressed nicely or regular.

I can understand why a woman would feel uncomfortable with guys staring at her but your attitude is typical of a lot of Toronto women in that they assume that every guy who even glances or smiles at them is some sort of a pervert.

 

[rhuarc29]

This debate has been done to death. Women should realize that they are increasing their risk of being sexually assaulted by dressing provocatively and men should realize that sexual assualt is a crime no matter how the victim is dressed. Is there much more to say?

How many useless posts have we had on this topic? I'm with Narg on this one. The perpetrators are completely responsible for their crimes. However, if women dress like...sluts...they'll most likely experience more sexual harassment. I'm not sure if that extends to rape or not.

 

[oldjones]

If "guns don't kill people; criminals do", then it's criminals who rape, not slutty clothes. If we don't lessen murders by controlling guns, then we don't lessen rapes by putting women in burquas.

Give sensible advice to your daughters by all means, but the guys who do this, like the guys who shoot people need to be stopped. Not the women, no matter how they choose to dress.

 

[onthebottom]

If "guns don't kill people; criminals do", then it's criminals who rape, not slutty clothes. If we don't lessen murders by controlling guns, then we don't lessen rapes by putting women in burquas.

Give sensible advice to your daughters by all means, but the guys who do this, like the guys who shoot people need to be stopped. Not the women, no matter how they choose to dress.

I completely agree!

OTB

 

[JustSex]

I'd go but they have speaches, can't they just show us their tits?

My thoughts as I read it too. I like a parade of really 'slutty' dressed women. Fortunately I can look without screaming 'Bonzai !' and jumping one of them. Others here may want to stay away

 

[burt-oh-my!]

If "guns don't kill people; criminals do", then it's criminals who rape, not slutty clothes. If we don't lessen murders by controlling guns, then we don't lessen rapes by putting women in burquas.

Give sensible advice to your daughters by all means, but the guys who do this, like the guys who shoot people need to be stopped. Not the women, no matter how they choose to dress.

Well that's all well and good: you are basically saying criminals shouldn't be criminals, and we need to stop them. But I operate on the assumption that criminals are going to be criminals, for the most part at least, so for instance when it comes to burgularies, I DO put ALL my emphasis on what I am going to do to stop them from burgularizing me. I think a good way to not be a murder victim, for instance, is not to be a member of a drug gang, or whatever. You get the point. For some unfathomable reason rape seems to be the exclusive case where some feminists seem to think that women are utterly powerless to stop it, which I think is not true at all. some cases? Yes, but not all.

For instance, not leaving your doors unlocked or windows would certainly help to stop certain kinds of rape, as would paying attention to where you walk alone.

furhtermore, I don't buy this notion that women are raped just because of power etc, its not about sex. I would suspect that most of the so-called 'evidence' in this matter is highly subjective and prone to manipulation on the part of those with a particular agenda and philosophy to push. This is one of those points of view that is not discussed based on evidence:


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n36_v10/ai_15794136/

 

[oldjones]

Fair enough burt, and on that basis I know you're in favour of seriously restricting access to weapons, banning investor stupidity and opening all financial records to CRA to perevent tax fraud. Same mechanisms as 'don't dress like a slut': Fix the victim.

The point about reasonable caution on the part of victims is well made, but not in the context of what 'caused' the crime. Unless we're gonna be as illogical as you claim those feminists are, if we say slutty clothes cause rape and must be banned, then banks cause robberies and so on. It isn't the job of us—society—to tell anyone how to dress or how not to. In fact our whole way of life is based on just the opposite. Everyone is free and entitled by right to make that choice themselves.

As I said above: Caution your daughters, and cluck all you want about the unwisdom of wearing a microskirt to a biker bash, but what we—society—have to do with it is to make sure your daughter is safe to go anyhwere, including Port Dover on Friday 13th. Fix the criminals. Even if it means more taxes.

Apologies to a bikers who are very well behaved in PD. and I'm sure able to see the how vividly their culture can be used to illustrate the evils of stereotyping, such as 'dressed like that she was asking for it'. And how unrealistic that is